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Old 06-17-2015, 03:40 PM   #21
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I have been experiencing VEAL for the first time this week. Take it from someone who's been tuning MS boxes on an amateur and professional level for almost a decade: VEAL is basically cheating.

I like watching it work, tweaking the VE table numbers to perfection while the EGO trends towards 100%. It must be what factory workers feel like when a robot takes their job.
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Old 06-17-2015, 04:16 PM   #22
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I have been experiencing VEAL for the first time this week. Take it from someone who's been tuning MS boxes on an amateur and professional level for almost a decade: VEAL is basically cheating.

I like watching it work, tweaking the VE table numbers to perfection while the EGO trends towards 100%. It must be what factory workers feel like when a robot takes their job.
Wait did you not use VEAL in MegaLog viewer way back in the day when you has your original MSPNP?
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Old 06-17-2015, 04:22 PM   #23
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I have been experiencing VEAL for the first time this week. Take it from someone who's been tuning MS boxes on an amateur and professional level for almost a decade: VEAL is basically cheating.

I like watching it work, tweaking the VE table numbers to perfection while the EGO trends towards 100%. It must be what factory workers feel like when a robot takes their job.
I don't have a problem with that as long as the robot is programmed correctly.

How exactly is none of this valid? How am I not thinking for myself?

Get torsen from 1997 with low miles, buy 7" ring/pinion from 1999, get 1 piece axles from 2001. That took a bit of research and initiative, and a mild amount of technical knowledge to do the swap with just myself and a friend in a dark garage. You guys act like I'm not doing ANY footwork. By searching "Wide Band O2" the results I get tell me to choose between the AEM unit and the LC1. So sorry you guys are answering questions, but I do appreciate the responses. This forum is about as hostile as the MKIV forum on vwvortex. The hostility is completely unwarranted. I've done my research (granted based of old information) but I acquired the required parts, and I'm stuck on management, and WBO2. My bad guys?

The only way to advance the community is through the free sharing of information, not withholding information because I don't know the exact search terms I need to ping on to find EXACTLY what I'm looking for. Just insisting I'M the ******* and telling me to search serves no one.
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You're getting the information. Stop bitching about it. Jesus.

If you had done the research from the beginning, you wouldn't have even entertained the idea of running bandaids "at first."

It's cool, we're all dumb at one point or another. You're getting the answers. All you questions have been answered. It just gets old when the same exact questions are asked multiple times EVERY week. This week is no exception.
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You're getting the information. Stop bitching about it. Jesus.

If you had done the research from the beginning, you wouldn't have even entertained the idea of running bandaids "at first."

It's cool, we're all dumb at one point or another. You're getting the answers. All you questions have been answered. It just gets old when the same exact questions are asked multiple times EVERY week. This week is no exception.
bandaids are for monetary reasons, not because they're acceptable solutions man. I already mentioned that. I'm going to have to wait for the next paycheck to see if I have enough holdover to get the MSPNP2 and an LC2. Hopefully I do. It sounds a lot easier than I anticipated to get this thing street tuned.
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maybe because lc-1's aren't in production anymore.

You should be searching the mt.net forum about autotune not the lil weazy forum. It's actually good and i've never read any real negative words about it.... in fact the first search i do about ve analyze is "VE analyze live is ****.".

If you also searched you'd know that we'd all blow our rectums out the second we heard you mention running a turbo with bandAIDS.

It isn't 2007 anymore. it's been a good 7 years since they've been considered acceptable.

Additional advice: I haven't used our search in a while and it very well may be donkey dick. I used to use it (and it worked well for me... that was before the site migrated) but now just use google. Google allows you to search sites specifically so you should do something like "best oil site:www.miataturbo.net"

Just enter your search followed by site:www.miataturbo.net and it'll search mt.net like a boss.

Edit: If monetary is an issue you definitely started with the wrong mods. just saying brah. as said if you did your research you would have INVESTED with the ecu first and worked your way into the turbo.
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Old 06-17-2015, 04:48 PM   #27
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bandaids are for monetary reasons, not because they're acceptable solutions man. I already mentioned that. I'm going to have to wait for the next paycheck to see if I have enough holdover to get the MSPNP2 and an LC2. Hopefully I do. It sounds a lot easier than I anticipated to get this thing street tuned.
Dude. It's stupid easy.
Install basemap. Calibrate sensors. Get car to idle. Turn on VEAL. Daily drive.
You'll have a better tune in a few days of daily driving than a lot of "tuners" could probably get you. (minus some other things you need to manually tune, coldstart, idle, warmup, timing, ect.)

Plus, like these people said. You want to run your car N/A when learning to tune. That way you can't really blow it up. Order of operations should go > install MS, tune > install injectors, tune > install turbo system, tune > increase boost very slowly and tune accordingly.

We tell you these things not because we want to see you struggle, or waste your money, but the opposite. We've been there done it.
Or just do what you want.
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Old 06-17-2015, 05:09 PM   #28
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Wait did you not use VEAL in MegaLog viewer way back in the day when you has your original MSPNP?
With MLV it is off-line and is not called VEAL.

With TS, it is real time, and is called VEAL (VE Analyizer Live).
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Old 06-17-2015, 05:19 PM   #29
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You need to relax a little (a lot) buddy. This is a car forum. Most of us are a little rough around the edges, and everyone takes a little abuse.
You received almost none before you started complaining about it.
We have a vested interest in making sure these cars don't get blown up for stupid reasons. It keeps the price of parts down.
AEM UEGO if you don't want to calibrate and don't care about slow refresh times, MTX-L if you own a ******* and calibrate like a man.
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Old 06-17-2015, 07:38 PM   #30
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Wait did you not use VEAL in MegaLog viewer way back in the day when you has your original MSPNP?
I swapped to AEM in 2010, so I don't think VEAL in MLV was a thing..?
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It was out since 08, but I think only got really popular around 10-11 or something. at least among miatas
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Calibrating is a privilege that allows accuracy. Otherwise you fluctuate unknowingly. But that's a different thread.

Quit complaining. We are really a very helpful bunch unless we sense bitchiness, so please do avoid it.

The 265cc is what the stock 1.8 comes with and will be inadequate to reach your 180whp goals with any headroom for safely. Besides, 180whp is not enough. The bottom end of the engine is good for 230-250 so stopping at 180 is pretty pointless when you need just as much work to reach either goal.

And the "will be doing" list didn't have any qualifiers that differentiated it from the "can't afford right now" list so it was certainly ambiguous enough to appear like you would be doing it at some point later. I'm glad you see the necessity of those items prior to adding additional power. We get many every month that don't see with clarity until it is too late and it hurts them. When you indicated bandaids were on your purchase list it appeared you were headed down the wrong path. Even bandaids require a wideband to "tune".

But the VE Analyze live feature allows you to just drive around and it changes your fuel map to match your targets without any input required from you. It is "cheating" as Savington puts it. And it is wonderful.

And I'm not being sarcastic when I say good luck. I mean it or else I wouldn't be offering advice or criticism. It is just my way. If I wasn't trying to help I would have just ignored you.
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Exactly. I'm a douche to you because i love you.

Probably not in that way. But maybe.
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Alright guys, I'm going to eat nothing but ramen this pay cycle so I can get mtxl or aem uego and the MS. I suppose I've got another month to get everything shoved in the car if Stephanie said the **** is on it's way. ( liar)
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There you go! That's the right attitude.
Plasma clinics sometimes have really good first time donor benefits as well.
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this thread delivers.

B&G are site sponsors, right??
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You can eat cheap without Raman. Not ramen cheap but still cheap and nutritional. I think we got a thread for that too. Search.lolol. It's a nutrition/food thread. Not specifically a Raman save money eat cheap thread.
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You said you were tracking the car. what tires and brakes are you using? Are you still using the 1.6 rotors?
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You said you were tracking the car. what tires and brakes are you using? Are you still using the 1.6 rotors?

1.8 rotors/calipers slotted and drilled. 15x7.5 tr motorsports 11.5lb wheels with 225/45r15 bfg rivals.
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What pad compound?
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