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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 02:31 PM
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pretty sure the issue at this point is beyond pcv related.
Old Feb 4, 2010 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Braineack
pretty sure the issue at this point is beyond pcv related.
Agreed, but his implementation of a catch can isn't helping anything, so I thought I'd throw in my .
Old Feb 4, 2010 | 07:18 PM
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Here are the pictures including the pictures of what I assembled to get to that point.
















Old Feb 4, 2010 | 09:12 PM
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All you needed to do was put both (pcv and vent) hoses in a can and cap your intake mani port. That would have caught any oil that might be ejecting during boost blow-by. Like I said, there's a ton of info here on catch cans, how they work, how to build them and how to install them. The intake side photo above looks correct. I can't tell where the vent hose goes on the exhaust side after it leaves the catch can.

...after intercooler before going to intake...
If you did indeed hook up a vent hose to an intercooler pipe, then you essentially boosted your crankcase (as mentioned). That usually puts oil in places it shouldn't go and does other worse things depending on the amount and length of pressure. My guess is you've got a bunch of oil in your intake and/or intercooler and piping now.
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where's the breather side one going back to? i cant tell.
Old Feb 5, 2010 | 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Braineack
where's the breather side one going back to? i cant tell.

it comes out from the VC, goes back behind the washer fluid bottle, then goes in the "in" of the catch can, the out goes by the throttle body.

the pics above that on the other end, it comes out of the VC, goes through the catch can, around the ps fluid container and goes into the tube that connects the turbo and the air filter.
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this looks like the breather/vent side:
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Old Feb 5, 2010 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by triple88a
it comes out from the VC, goes back behind the washer fluid bottle, then goes in the "in" of the catch can, the out goes by the throttle body.

the pics above that on the other end, it comes out of the VC, goes through the catch can, around the ps fluid container and goes into the tube that connects the turbo and the air filter.
That's correct. Did that allow for pressurizing the crankcase?
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Originally Posted by m2cupcar
All you needed to do was put both (pcv and vent) hoses in a can and cap your intake mani port. That would have caught any oil that might be ejecting during boost blow-by. Like I said, there's a ton of info here on catch cans, how they work, how to build them and how to install them. The intake side photo above looks correct. I can't tell where the vent hose goes on the exhaust side after it leaves the catch can.


If you did indeed hook up a vent hose to an intercooler pipe, then you essentially boosted your crankcase (as mentioned). That usually puts oil in places it shouldn't go and does other worse things depending on the amount and length of pressure. My guess is you've got a bunch of oil in your intake and/or intercooler and piping now.
I understood the concept with the pcv and vent going to the catch can, but I was trying to stop oil in the lines and return the lines back to where are supposed to be going. I thought if put a catch can that is vented to the air without return lines, the car may not pass emissions. I don't know, may be that's the wrong line of thinking.
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I took that whole setup back off the car and the smoking was still the same. The only part of it that is still on the car is that PCV.
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sounds like you have dead rings.
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I just put the car up on stands. I found oil running down the piping from the compressor outlet to the intercooler. None around the intercooler/piping connection, none on the other side of the intercooler and none by the intake.
I also found oil on the turbo/downpipe connection, running down all the way to the Cat.
I found oil that have seeped from the the oil cap as well. It looked like it seeped down over the VC gasket, but the rest of the VC gasket looks fine, so I'm guessing it is from the oil cap.
That's what I have found so far.
I hope I don't have dead rings. I know that my compression numbers are low and may have issues down the line, but I really don't want to deal with anything major at this point.
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Another update - I decided to remove the 323 GTX PCV valve and check it out... It was stuck! Brand new valve, peace of crap. Anyway, put the one I had before that, and drove until I burnt almost all the oil off (It's sleet and snow here, so I can't burn everything off). The car is back to where it was before. Small smoke cloud after boosting (and skidding on the snow), letting go then applying the throttle again. The reason I was putting in those catch cans in the first place!!!
I guess I should have left that PCV valve on and tried the setup I had. Oh well, I don't want to deal with it for now. May be in a week or two.
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Originally Posted by 2002SilverMiata
Another update - I decided to remove the 323 GTX PCV valve and check it out... It was stuck! Brand new valve, peace of crap. Anyway, put the one I had before that, and drove until I burnt almost all the oil off (It's sleet and snow here, so I can't burn everything off). The car is back to where it was before. Small smoke cloud after boosting (and skidding on the snow), letting go then applying the throttle again. The reason I was putting in those catch cans in the first place!!!
Seriously, try removing the PCV system altogether. If you have an emissions inspection, you can reinstall it in about 15 minutes for the duration, and then remove it again.
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