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Old 09-19-2014, 10:07 AM   #21
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When everything you order arrives?
That does seem to be a consistently recurring problem for BEGI. I've heard little else about them for the last five years.

Corky, by all accounts you are a wonderful man and we want you to succeed, but you need a capable and experienced manager to run the operation of the day to day business. Someone with authority to make things run correctly. Your business would double if people could count on it consistently meeting their needs and expectations.

I wish you the best.

I didn't see a billet oil pump on the list.
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When all of it arrives, on time, and all the correct parts, and nothing missing, and with valid instructions, and all of it fits, and all of it works together, and there are no excuses or bs.

Hey Corky, can you ask Stephanie to familiarize herself with all these concepts?
Stephanie is probably just as confused by Corky's attempts at humor as we are. If he ever does confront her about her attempts to ruin his business he says something off the wall that makes no sense and she nods her head and continues with "business as usual".

Six months and counting and I still don't have a complete kit, so by definition I don't think BEGi EVER makes a complete kit.

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I'm about to get on a roll here. So, what does 'complete' mean?

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A kit that arrives in a timely fashion with all the parts specified, with fitment that doesn't suck dick for food stamps, complete and accurate instructions, and since you're paying a premium for a "complete kit," customer service not administered by a troll sounds pretty good, too.
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That does seem to be a consistently recurring problem for BEGI. I've heard little else about them for the last five years.

Corky, by all accounts you are a wonderful man and we want you to succeed, but you need a capable and experienced manager to run the operation of the day to day business. Someone with authority to make things run correctly. Your business would double if people could count on it consistently meeting their needs and expectations.

I wish you the best.

I didn't see a billet oil pump on the list.
Having a begi kit, & being local makes my situation slightly bettererer...

But in the few months I've lurked before actually creating an account here Ive skimmed across nothing but hate for BEGi, though everyone is entitled to their opinion and personal customer experience. Surprising none the less, though I'm still waiting on a grey medium shirt

I have trouble gasping BEGi is that problematic, they could be busy, awaiting on more parts/services to be completed for extras on kits, or your kit may not be the only one ordered? Mom & Pop sized shop not able to spit out kits like hotcakes?

Either way, so what the kits are not shelved and ready to go? few months to make it "complete" by some standards? On average, how long does it normally take a person to piece together their own kit? Waiting on manifolds, coatings, machine shops etc.

/endramblingconfusednoob
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this is gon get good

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PS: I really hope Corky actually looks at this thread again instead of forgetting about it like every other thread he's ever posted in on MT
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Having a begi kit, & being local makes my situation slightly bettererer...

But in the few months I've lurked before actually creating an account here Ive skimmed across nothing but hate for BEGi, though everyone is entitled to their opinion and personal customer experience. Surprising none the less, though I'm still waiting on a grey medium shirt

I have trouble gasping BEGi is that problematic, they could be busy, awaiting on more parts/services to be completed for extras on kits, or your kit may not be the only one ordered? Mom & Pop sized shop not able to spit out kits like hotcakes?

Either way, so what the kits are not shelved and ready to go? few months to make it "complete" by some standards? On average, how long does it normally take a person to piece together their own kit? Waiting on manifolds, coatings, machine shops etc.

/endramblingconfusednoob

The time from order to full delivery is probably the least offensive part. Check out some of the build threads to see just how awful an experience it truly is. Twodoor's is a good place to start.

I could piece together my own kit in 2-3 months, and have nobody to blame but myself for any fitment issues, but i'd probably not have any, because this website is an incredible resource.
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STOP disturbing Mr. Bell you idiots. If you continue to yank the chain he won't build anymore parts for the miata community all due to your own stupid fault.

Mr. Bell, I am not interested in your turbo kit or parts but I would like you to come forward and give more details on the T5 Transmission project you previously talked about. I think a lot people will like to hear more from this project as well. Thank you very much.
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Maxmium boost was a good read. I can't speak personally about BEGI's customer service and delivery time but I don't think the turbo kit market (non DIY) would be what it is today without Corky.
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STOP disturbing Mr. Bell you idiots. If you continue to yank the chain he won't build anymore parts for the miata community all due to your own stupid fault.

Mr. Bell, I am not interested in your turbo kit or parts but I would like you to come forward and give more details on the T5 Transmission project you previously talked about. I think a lot people will like to hear more from this project as well. Thank you very much.

You didn't get the memo that his entire post was bullshit, did you?
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Most kits in my experience are missing something or there are hidden costs. for example, engine management is junk, drivetrain can't support the power etc. what would I really be getting into if I decided to go turbo?

My engine may need to be replace soon anyhow.

I have considered a LFX swap because it is almost as cheap as a miata engine.
As troll worthy as Corky's post is, he makes an excellent point. Namely that just hitting your power goal for one pull on a dyno costs about 30% of what it really takes to put together a well engineered, daily and track reliable F/I kit regardless of the power goal.

There is a sliding scale of cost vs whp vs duty cycle. Lemme 'splain

1. Cost. Directly related to power goal but also modified by duty cycle

2. DC. In race car, aircraft and marine applications, many parts are "timed out". That is, the specific amount of time they see is recorded. Parts replaced when they reach a certain time limit. For our HPDE and race cars, we assume full race pace. For a street car, 100 hrs is maybe 6 months of driving and one set of front pads. For a racecar, that's maybe 2 years on track and probably 7 sets of pads. How does this relate to trubos? A race car will see full power at least 50% of the track with a good driver. Some tracks that goes up to nearly 85%. A newb driver might only be 25%. So 3hrs on track for a weekend might be over 2 hrs at full throttle for the experienced driver. I street car might take years to get that much time at WOT/high rpm. Add to that the much greater heat soak of the track car and you get an idea of how much tougher on a car it is. So even if you don't do track days, the time at high rpm/WOT varies widely even for street and autocross cars. That is duty cycle and must be factored in to any cost vs whp calculation. There is no magic algorithm but if one of the Miata vendors with experience on track tells you $15k after interviewing you for a few minutes, believe it.

3. WHP. There is an ancient catch phrase in the automotive aftermarket. "Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?". Assuming you are a credit card mechanic, meaning you leave the fabrication, tuning and engineering to a pro but do your own oil changes and simple bolt ons, here's my rough estimates on the power part. This is not including stuff like brakes, wheels, roll bar, etc. Supporting drivetrain mods would be oil cooler, radaiator, reroute, clutch, transmission, forged engine internals, crank damper, custom exhaust, engine management, race gas, etc.

Broken down into a few segments:

NA8/NB <190whp
<$5k for just the power making bits
<$3k drivetrain and other mods to make engine bombproof on track

NA8/NB <250whp
<$7k for just the power making bits
<$4k drivetrain and other mods to make engine bombproof on track

NA8/NB 250-320whp
<$7k for just the power making bits
<$8k drivetrain and other mods to make engine bombproof on track

NA8/NB 320-440whp
<$9k for just the power making bits
<$16k drivetrain and other mods to make engine bombproof on track

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If you can fabricate, tune and are OK utilizing used parts, these can all be done for a fraction of these estimated costs. Of every 50 DIY'ers that attempts a high hp turbo track Miata, I'd say 48 fail. Some with flames and projectile parts vomiting. Not impossible, just usually requires someone with an long history around high performance cars, engineering background and endless patience. Bob Bundy, H-F and a few others here are prime example of the type of outlier that actually makes 350whp work for crazy long duty cyles. Don't ask them how many hours or $ they have into their cars..

So figure out:
Duty Cycle: How it's gonna be used at full power.
Cost: How much you are realistically willing to spend over the next year or to on power adder & supporting mods
WHP: I'll give you a hint, this number is usually the result of first two variables, not an input. IOW, your budget, usage and resources should dictate what power you end up with, not the other way around.

May you achieve all the bewsts

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Having a begi kit, & being local makes my situation slightly bettererer...

But in the few months I've lurked before actually creating an account here Ive skimmed across nothing but hate for BEGi, though everyone is entitled to their opinion and personal customer experience. Surprising none the less, though I'm still waiting on a grey medium shirt

I have trouble gasping BEGi is that problematic, they could be busy, awaiting on more parts/services to be completed for extras on kits, or your kit may not be the only one ordered? Mom & Pop sized shop not able to spit out kits like hotcakes?

Either way, so what the kits are not shelved and ready to go? few months to make it "complete" by some standards? On average, how long does it normally take a person to piece together their own kit? Waiting on manifolds, coatings, machine shops etc.

/endramblingconfusednoob
This post makes absolutely zero sense. People complain about incomplete kits and poor instructions, and you talk about how maybe we should be more reasonable with our expectations because they must have more than one customer.

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I want to post a TL;DR: so bad.


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This post makes absolutely zero sense. People complain about incomplete kits and poor instructions, and you talk about how maybe we should be more reasonable with our expectations because they must have more than one customer.

Well....YEA, basically. I'm surprised to the level of service that comes out of that tiny building.


Not really making excuses for them. Really just curious on to "why so much hate" on MT?

Incomplete kits & poor outdated instructions, obviously bad. Hopefully there is a master check list with each item number for the kit. Hopefully the installer makes sure all parts are included before starting. And hopefully, BEGi can correct that mistake in a timely manner... Hopefully. And imo, complaining about instructions for a 'complete' kit is just asking for your favorite pretty pink princess spoon. Tough sh*t, why are you doing this kit yourself then? Didn't you research countless hours before hand and know turbo kits in/out?

When I walked through BEGi's shop I understood the realistic limitations with any vehicle build. And while most here are fapping to efr threads and wondering why their built to order kit is taking so long, everyone adds their and goes along with the chorus. Begi hate! ra! ra! ra!
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Are you completely blind? We have already referred you to one example in particular where BEGi seriously dropped the ball.

We hope the best for BEGi and hope that they'll solve the problems that have arisen the last few years. Obviously they are to credit for so much of the development of Miata tuning.

Seriously.

Read Twodoor's build thread before you post in here again. He's not the only one.

I just... the idiocy in your post is beyond words. If I pay several thousand dollars for a prefabbed kit, I should be able to get it home, unbox it, and install it. The parts should be labeled (turbo coolant supply hose, return hose, etc). If I want to DIY a kit myself I should be allowed to do so.

Why are you turning this into another "Prove to me why BEGi isn't perfect" thread? The proof is in the pudding.

*edit* and once again, you reference that people are concerned about the time it takes to get the kit.

Ok. Let's go over this.

Someone says "It'll be there in 2 months." You expect it in two months, right? Well three months goes by. "give us another week." 2 more weeks go by "we'll have it monday." Monday goes by.

Do you understand this pattern and why it is a problem? if not, then I'm talking to a brick and I give up.
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Not really making excuses for them. Really just curious on to "why so much hate" on MT?

Incomplete kits & poor outdated instructions, obviously bad. Hopefully there is a master check list with each item number for the kit. Hopefully the installer makes sure all parts are included before starting. And hopefully, BEGi can correct that mistake in a timely manner... Hopefully. And imo, complaining about instructions for a 'complete' kit is just asking for your favorite pretty pink princess spoon. Tough sh*t, why are you doing this kit yourself then? Didn't you research countless hours before hand and know turbo kits in/out?

When I walked through BEGi's shop I understood the realistic limitations with any vehicle build. And while most here are fapping to efr threads and wondering why their built to order kit is taking so long, everyone adds their and goes along with the chorus. Begi hate! ra! ra! ra!

Just to be clear: You're saying that it's our fault for our kits not being complete? Or for wanting our **** to fit right?
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Either way, so what the kits are not shelved and ready to go? few months to make it "complete" by some standards? On average, how long does it normally take a person to piece together their own kit? Waiting on manifolds, coatings, machine shops etc.

/endramblingconfusednoob
The price is the ******* difference. I would have saved between 3 and 4 thousand dollars by doing a "do it yourself" kit, and it would have been completed in less than 6 months.

As is, I got fucked in the *** without even being taken to dinner or being told I was pretty :(

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There was a "how long did it take to get your complete BEGI kit" poll several years ago that summed it up pretty well, but I can't find it now. I seem to remember my kit (purchased shortly after I joined the forum) was right around the average at 6 months late. It's not like this is a new phenomenon.

**EDIT - Found it, and it wasn't nearly as bad as I was remembering** https://www.miataturbo.net/bellengin...ry-time-31084/

They do make some great stuff though and overall the kit was absolutely solid. A lot of my kit has been upgraded and parted out over the years, but quite a few pieces still remain and are getting ready to go on yet another miata.
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Are you completely blind? We have already referred you to one example in particular where BEGi seriously dropped the ball.

I'll get to reading that soon

We hope the best for BEGi and hope that they'll solve the problems that have arisen the last few years. Obviously they are to credit for so much of the development of Miata tuning.

Of coarse, everyone wants everyone to be successful.

Seriously.

Read Twodoor's build thread before you post in here again. He's not the only one.

I just... the idiocy in your post is beyond words. If I pay several thousand dollars for a prefabbed kit, I should be able to get it home, unbox it, and install it. The parts should be labeled (turbo coolant supply hose, return hose, etc). If I want to DIY a kit myself I should be allowed to do so.

I understand, though those are YOUR expectations, and they sound very organized, nicely labeled and 'ready to go'

Why are you turning this into another "Prove to me why BEGi isn't perfect" thread? The proof is in the pudding.

Not another thread, and I completely agree to the proof is in the pudding, "smells like ...., must be ....". Also, I could just be a innocent soul who hasn't been burned by them. *shrug

*edit* and once again, you reference that people are concerned about the time it takes to get the kit.

Ok. Let's go over this.

Someone says "It'll be there in 2 months." You expect it in two months, right? Well three months goes by. "give us another week." 2 more weeks go by "we'll have it monday." Monday goes by.

Understandable, more proof in the pudding. Obviously an extra 'month' would set my alarms off as well and question "why". From the above example is there no reason to why the extra wait? Just curious.

Do you understand this pattern and why it is a problem? if not, then I'm talking to a brick and I give up.

Sounds like a bad customer experience, usually repetitive actions require disciplinary actions... especially if that person sucks at making pudding
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Just to be clear: You're saying that it's our fault for our kits not being complete? Or for wanting our **** to fit right?

No, lol... Not at all. Its more to the tune of 'well what do you expect out of that tiny building with 1 sales manager serving a multitude of customers'. Even more aligned with having the correct management skills to output to the demands and retaining quality. If that is not being met, bad pudding
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