Turbo NC 419 Hp 430lb/ft
 

I hope the time will soon come where we can have a Real NC Turbo thread in this forum for those who like to be well informed.

This has been an excellent place to learn from those who have done it.

Just wanted to share a full car build we did for a customers car who shipped it to us all the way from California to us in Florida.
We replaced the engine with one of our own, added a custom T3 turbo. Fatcat suspension and we of course tune the thing.

Hp is limited by the turbine housing, but it was a compromise, this turbo spools at 1500 RPM, I most admit it came out very nice.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1378616688



here is a link to the other place

dynodone2_zpsd4870ade.jpg Photo by Javier_Jay_Pabon | Photobucket

nice

why is the rpm scale cut off?

You want a serious thread, we want full disclosure.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1378617899

Id like to see the turbo setup. Did you guys build the manifold/DP?

lol and so the fun begins.

it spools at 1500 rpm huh? sure don't look like it

I dont care about the build thread, I just want to know how did you get ur shit to stick to the ceiling?

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1378628238

It's running a 3071, so I expect the rpm scale to be way better than that, especially on the 2.0 liter engine. Looking forward to trying to get a ride in this thing, it's in the Bay Area.

HP/TQ crossover happens at 5252 RPM, which falls directly in the middle of the 2 grid lines. This is a good indicator that the grid is in 500 rpm increments. It also would make sense that they would be reving it to roughly 7500 rpm.
I dont know for sure, but Id say it is a well thought out guess. The only way Id be wrong is if they were using some weird scaling where the grid lines dont correspond to nice even increments. This would also mean that they were reving the engine much higher than I would expect (like 9k+ rpm).
It is pretty reasonable to assume that the scaling is correct, with their solid line sitting at 5500 rpm.

As for it not spooling as well as you would expect, part of that can certainly be contributed to starting the pull at 3500 rpm. Starting at a lower rpm would probably show gains below 5000 rpm.

EDIT:
Another nail in the coffin for the rpm scaling.
Here is a dyno from their shop:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1378696803

Notice the RPM scaling used, and notice their habit of starting dyno pulls at stupid high RPM just as I suspected.


Amateur hour is over STP. This is fucking MiataTurbo.net, we're not like honda kids and domestic fags who dont know shit about tuning. If you want to impress us we want objective, accurate and precise, scientific data.

:) I love mt

lol thats the shittiest graph ever. Almost as bad as the dyno guy i went to putting the horizontal rpm graph against the vertical rpm graph.

Half the graph is logo, the bottom half is run names. then the dyno graphs are devided into half of that. Uck. At least mine was vertical.

why did you photoshop this?

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1378726706

do you need photoshop for cropping?

why did you MS paint edit this?

EDIT: NVM I sees the line bellow the x axis now

yeah, the X-axis was intentially edited out.

TDR is gonna have a bad time on MT if they think they can feed us this n00b garbage and expect to be praised mindlessly by braindead lemmings like they do on M.net :laugh:

Just to be clear, this is the OTHER TDR, right?

yes, Tuning Done Retarded

Oh that's right... the abortion manifold guy. The dude that dicks around with tuning stock ECUs and shit? The guy that decided that quality turbo-to-manifold hardware was too expensive so he spot welds the turbo to the manifold?

What a bunch of crap.

that dyno suggests his power was limited by tuning-done-wrong, not the turbine. and :rofl: at the 1500RPM spool remark...sure it might make .01psi at 1500RPM, but it has a boost threshold of 5000RPM; stop trying to kid yourself, or us.

I think he accidentally confused MT with M.net and is now finding out that MS Paint is not the way to glory around here.

I really think he should take Dyno Plot lessons from Nitrodann

I'm just impressed by them building a custom turbo.

the wheels are probably tack-welded on and the wastegate routes the gasses back toward the turbo

that's how it spools at 1500 and doesn't make peak torque til 5k

duhh

The guys on M.net are just eating this shit up.

[Turbocharging] Pigtails "The Monster" Ready for Delivery 414hp 430lb/ft Torque - MX-5 Miata Forum

Anyone surprised?

So who is going to rain on the Mnet parade?
Im banned, otherwise I'd volunteer to drop the turd.

btw this is on E85

Looks like Concealer started the party. :party:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1378745771

I didnt think it was possible to be any less impressed than I already was.

Can't we just let the whine-n-cheesers have their circlejerk? If they want to learn the hard way, let them learn the hard way.

I've never really appreciated that this guy took the TDR name and made it his own. It took quite a while for me to realize that it wasn't Trackdog racing that was making this stuff.

Of all the names in the world he could have possibly chosen, why take one that's identical to a well known reputable Miata vendor?

im too busy hating on win8 to care about this. i mean, cool it made a lot of power.

why be shady about it?

what a fail... "does a dyno video... doesnt actually record the car on the dyno"

The first line is at 3500 rpm and each is 500 from there.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1378825170

The new graph they posted.

Ah! ok, cool.

Im curious why they didnt show footage of the car RUNNING on the dyno... i mean, im not completely skeptical, but why WOULDNT you show the footage? lol

That's also a pretty shitty torque drop. Lose 100ftlbs from 5000-7000rpms? I'd expect that shit out of an old single cam 8v motor, not a friggin' MZR.

^Probably shitty boost control.

Exactly my point. Rather "convenient" that the dyno run was removed/not shown.

Dann, I was pulling for you on your thread but you haven't really given me a leg to stand on. If you want to regain some general credibility around here, the place I'd say to look for it would be atop some large metal rollers. But you didn't need me to tell you for you to know that.

seems legit yet it's fishy at the same time. Why be shady if your not hiding anything?

because its hard to claim spool at 1500 when you don't hit peak til 5k

unless by spool they mean spin, in which case it "spools" at idle :party:

He claims it's the turbo, I also claimed shitty boost control.

Because God forbid someone well document things with facts, information, and data to back it up. where's the fun in that?!

:idea:

true, if it were documented I might be actually doing some work at work rather than commenting on this thread... (but probably not)

probably not.


If you want a well documented build: http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=475835

His blog is most documented.

Someone go find turns101's dyno charts using a similar-sized turbo and post them.

https://www.miataturbo.net/engine-pe...-engine-65621/

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...-e85-26psi-jpg

lol, it spools earlier too.

That was a GTX and a 2.5L though.

Edit: Soviet beat me by 1 minute.

It works if the definition of spool is turbo is spinning. I spool at idle -- suck on that Tuning Done Retarded.

In that case, I spooled without a turbine wheel :dealwithit:

Props to Soviet for Dom......

I can taste the tears from here.


That place is entirely hilarious today. I posted in an MSM thread saying how mediocre and MEH MSMs were, and was treated to much asspain in return.

GT turbo is state of the art technology, apparently

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1378928482

LOL I'm not the only one, where is the start button? Thanks Braineack

Anyway, nothing shady, I could not film cause I have not master the drive on and operate the Dyno, pay attention to AFR and film at the same time, I tried but the video was crappy. Will work on it.
Initial picture was naively edited to fit a certain pixel count in wordpress (I hate that thing too)

Full Dyno sheet is here.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1382244234




The following is not for Braineack but to the FEW other incredibly savvy and brilliantly impressive posters.


Shockingly I do not post to impress YOU, nor to be worshiped by YOU (I Leave that for the true God) I post to report what we do in our own little Turbo NC world.

I know what we do is a piece of crap when compared to the many 2L turbo NC's YOU have built and tuned with stock ECU.
I understand your incredible modestly prevents you from posting the Dynos or pictures of the many turbo NC’s you have build and sold, and we have all heard of the incredibly successful companies that you have built from the ground up in a business you knew little about. So I hold my breath every time you post a comment about us and lose sleep when I disappoint you. It is terrible...


However, FYI I love my piece of crap and enjoy driving the heck out of it so much I'm building 2 more just for me.


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https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1382244234



And lets not forget the "fake and Crappy Dyno showing peak torque at 4100 RPM in a 2L MZR engine we built ( I know your NC is soooo much better one day I hope to have one just like yours)


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https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1382244234

News Update: The complete "Fake Dyno" car we build and we send to California with 430 torque shredded the tranny on day 3. (It was a fake Trany too) but no worries, the owner is getting a real 6 spd to go along with it so it should be fine.

I love this forum I did not know what I was missing.


[B]Sarcasm aside I do thank the real] people here who got valuable things to teach. Braineack, WWorks, Amellrotts, and others, you know who you are.



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Where is the video of your car at MIB that Motoman shot? This NC is very impressive! I admit I have not driven a ton of turbo miata's, but in the short time I drove this NC it gave me the impression it was stronger than my old 420whp FD.....but to be fair it has been like 8 years between driving the two and the FD was having turbo issues.

The black NC was probably the fastest car at a gathering of over 100 Miatas, some of then heavily modified and very fast.

Hey Chris, no YOUR Frigging car was impressive....
Great job building and tuning that beast, thanks for letting me drive it.

I will publish the video soon, the only problem is that MOTO man could not keep up so we are most of the time out of frame or waiting for him .LOL

Hey Look, he admits a slow spooling pile of shit. My hat is off to you sir.
As for your god. What kind of god would allow you to build such a lame car? You should feel bad.

P.S. Suck Brains dick more. Im sure he is really impressed with your fellatio technique.

If you disagree with brain he has a propensity to just ban you, so it's probably a worthwhile technique.