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Old Mar 18, 2013 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jpreston
Mad torks and/or open diff. I'm at 130hp and could roast a 205 R6 in 3rd gear with the open diff.
This.

Ive roasted 3rd over T8 and T11 at midohio in a stock engine NB on spec suspension and 225 RA1s.

I bet torsen points would bump him into C.
Old Mar 18, 2013 | 07:21 PM
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He just admitted on the forum that he was not running the restrictor he should so no harm, no foul. I was about to get really upset with the idea of needed to run a time like that, lol.
Old Mar 18, 2013 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by hustler
He just admitted on the forum that he was not running the restrictor he should so no harm, no foul. I was about to get really upset with the idea of needed to run a time like that, lol.
The D car we're building now should be about 1s slower than Crusher was at the end of last year. Crusher is faster now. So figure 6s under SM records on a ~2:00 course if you want to win D at Miller.

And don't bother asking how it's built. I can tell you that it is a Miata and that's about it
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Old Mar 18, 2013 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by emilio700
The D car we're building now should be about 1s slower than Crusher was at the end of last year. Crusher is faster now. So figure 6s under SM records on a ~2:00 course if you want to win D at Miller.

And don't bother asking how it's built. I can tell you that it is a Miata and that's about it


Since Nats are NOT at Mid O, feel free to pm me that point sheet and reclass info...
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Originally Posted by emilio700
The D car we're building now should be about 1s slower than Crusher was at the end of last year. Crusher is faster now. So figure 6s under SM records on a ~2:00 course if you want to win D at Miller.

And don't bother asking how it's built. I can tell you that it is a Miata and that's about it
Less trolling and more wheel shipping, please.

I think that when I figure out aero, my green car will be incredibly well prepared for TTD and you've spilled enough beans to me that I think that's a reasonable possibility. :P
Old Mar 18, 2013 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Savington
There's no way that the 1.8 bracing and brakes is worth the 40lb penalty.
Are the 1.8 brakes that worthless of an upgrade, even for PT use?

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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by emilio700
So figure 6s under SM records on a ~2:00 course if you want to win D at Miller.
So sorry, no all dominating Civics in PTD at Miller. We'll be busy winning STL at the runoffs...

Have fun racing no one.

Also, when you guys quote Sm records, do you mean NASA SM record or any SM record?

Quick check at Road Atlanta (arbitrary track) shows SCCA SM record a full second faster than NASA SM record. (SCCA record is from '09, so it was on Toyos)

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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 10:59 AM
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Yeah, lots of variables these days with SM. Crusher ran a 25 with a predicted 24 at Hallett, new SM record is like a 29.8 or something, we were running Nittos...the list goes on.

The way I look at it is whether or not I'm going faster than the last guy who won MX-5 Playboy Cup did, regardless of the SM record. That's what puts a smile on my face.
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Originally Posted by Efini~FC3S
So sorry, no all dominating Civics in PTD at Miller. We'll be busy winning STL at the runoffs...

Have fun racing no one.

Also, when you guys quote Sm records, do you mean NASA SM record or any SM record?

Quick check at Road Atlanta (arbitrary track) shows SCCA SM record a full second faster than NASA SM record. (SCCA record is from '09, so it was on Toyos)
I'm guessing the other drivers in D would take affront to your quip about "racing no one". SM records?, whichever is fastest and/or known.

SCCA, meh. Good fields and contingencies in some classes but I just can't get excited about an STL 1.8L Miata:
7" wheel
2570# comp weight
stock intake manifold and throttle body
No porting
Big cams OK but no more than 11.0:1

SCCA ST rules are free enough that building a fully prepped STL costs maybe 50% more than what a competitive PT car would cost us. Have to be a 1.6L to be competitive I think.
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 02:43 PM
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You mean my FR-S won't win D at Nationals this year at a track I've never been to? E85 tune with full exhaust should be good for 200+ whp. Hopefully you can sense the sarcasm.
Old Mar 19, 2013 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by aCab
You mean my FR-S won't win D at Nationals this year at a track I've never been to? E85 tune with full exhaust should be good for 200+ whp. Hopefully you can sense the sarcasm.
The FR-S should get bumped out of it's current base class as soon as someone that can tune and drive runs one. Based on what I've observed, it's just as fast as an S2000. Just a matter of time.
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by emilio700
The FR-S should get bumped out of it's current base class as soon as someone that can tune and drive runs one. Based on what I've observed, it's just as fast as an S2000. Just a matter of time.
Would Greenbaum bump it mid-season you think? Im thinking about running mine at Nats, but I'm nowhere near a skilled enough driver to come out to Miller first time and take the title.
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Originally Posted by aCab
Would Greenbaum bump it mid-season you think? Im thinking about running mine at Nats, but I'm nowhere near a skilled enough driver to come out to Miller first time and take the title.
ah yup. NASA has no qualms with teaks to PT mid season if they think it's needed. Crusher's MSM config was bumped after nationals. To be blunt, the FR-S is the car to have for D. Until a proper car is built and raced.. and Greg sees it, it's the sleeper in D. I'm not interested in buying one and immediately gutting it. Too expensive. So I'll keep running Miatas and hope some smart and fast like you builds one, gets it bumped and clears the way for Crusher in C again

That is unless Scion or Subaru ever decide to give me the car I asked for.
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by emilio700
I'm guessing the other drivers in D would take affront to your quip about "racing no one".

SCCA, meh. Good fields and contingencies in some classes but I just can't get excited about an STL 1.8L Miata:
7" wheel
2570# comp weight
stock intake manifold and throttle body
No porting
Big cams OK but no more than 11.0:1

SCCA ST rules are free enough that building a fully prepped STL costs maybe 50% more than what a competitive PT car would cost us. Have to be a 1.6L to be competitive I think.
How many people are there likely to be at Miller in D? 8? 10? 12 max? I think the likely 30+ car field in STL should be enough to get you excited. Sure the rules have some R-Tard in them (think of building a 2.0L FWD car with 7" wide wheels) and I cerainly don't doubt that Jim Drago's STL car costs 2x as much as your PTD build.

Total Mazdaspeed contingency for STL runoffs win would certainly help offset some of that cost to build...

STL Runoffs race will likely have former SCCA SM National champ, former NASA SM national champ, at least 3 other SCCA National champs, and multiple Grand AM driver's in the field. Tell me again why the PTD field at NASA Nats should be offended?

STL field should also include a 949 car...
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Originally Posted by Efini~FC3S
STL field should also include a 949 car...
You're sponsoring me?


Seriously, SM has even bigger fields and I don't race that either. I just don't like the car or the cost/performance ratio needed to run at the front.
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by emilio700
Seriously, SM has even bigger fields and I don't race that either. I just don't like the level of driving required to run at the front.
FTFY




Don't get me wrong, I think the NASA PT formula is great and it should lead to great competition. It just sucks that currently the fields are so small.

After I leave the cushy world I currently live in and have to join the real world and pay/build my own race car(s) I will most likely be in PTE or PTD.
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Originally Posted by Efini~FC3S
FTFY




Don't get me wrong, I think the NASA PT formula is great and it should lead to great competition. It just sucks that currently the fields are so small.

After I leave the cushy world I currently live in and have to join the real world and pay/build my own race car(s) I will most likely be in PTE or PTD.
Troll.
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Originally Posted by Efini~FC3S
FTFY




Don't get me wrong, I think the NASA PT formula is great and it should lead to great competition. It just sucks that currently the fields are so small.

After I leave the cushy world I currently live in and have to join the real world and pay/build my own race car(s) I will most likely be in PTE or PTD.
+1 for trolololing.
Old Mar 20, 2013 | 10:42 AM
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Speaking of trolling...

GrandAm > Schedule/Results > EntryList > 2 > EntryListDetail

It's official...uh oh


Ok, sorry, done trolling. Sorry for off topic posts.
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Originally Posted by emilio700
Then run Toyo RRs. 9pt compound, easy to drive and setup, nearly as fast as R6, much faster than NT01, cheap. If you have any genuine competition, youre not going to win anything on NT01s
Originally Posted by hustler
Will they fit on a 9?
Originally Posted by emilio700
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For the 9", would the preferred tire for us then be the 205/50? Does the 225/50 cause rubbing/interference issues?

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