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Old 06-06-2016, 08:34 PM   #1
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First time around, I went with cheapo G-Force Pull-Ups. They're expired now, and I've never liked them much. I really dislike the pull-up configuration. With a small person, they don't get tight enough. A large person ends up pinching the adjusters between the seat and thigh. A really large person ends up with the adjusters hanging up on the seat holes. It's always a confusing PITA to get people strapped in. I give a lot of rides and I want to do right by my passengers.

What are people's experiences? The enduro-style belts with pull-down adjusters integrated into the tangs look really nice -- but they're fairly expensive. Are there medium-cost belt setups that are easily adjusted to a variety of people or do I need ante up?

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Just found this, from only 3 months ago:

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I've done 6 or 7 days now with the Schroth Enduro belts and I have zero regrets about spending that money.
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I just switched from g-force to schroth profi II 6 point. It's much much better and well worth the money in my opinion. You can get the two inch lap belts really tight and how they did the lower point is much more comfortable on the crotch. lap belts can be switched easily from pull up to pull down. I have it in pull down and route them out the bucket seats and pull up on them to get snugged in.
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I like the Safecraft harness. Having the lap adjusters part of the buckle makes them very easy to tighten by yourself while seated. HANS comparable and 2" lap.
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I have put Schroth Profi II-6Hs in 3 or 4 cars now and never once regretted spending the big bucks on those belts. I've used Willans and G-Force as well, and the Schroth stuff is on another level.
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Another vote for Schroth belts. We spend the money on the Schroths, even in our Chumpcars. In my experience with harnesses, you get what you pay for.
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Rick! Is your current harness setup a 5, or a 6 point?

I have a couple Schroth Profi-II 6 Hans harnesses coming next week (they are on backorder). They can be configured in either a pull-up or a pull-down, which is one reason I bought them. Right now I only have a driver's seat to install in the car, and I'm not buying passenger seat from OG until mid-July.

If swapping out belts is relatively easy, when my belts come in, you can try one out in your car if you like. I wont be using it until i get my passenger seat. If you have the time, it will be a good way for me to see how to properly configure and install a harness as well
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G force are Good starter harnesses. The adjusters are a bit grabby and take a tug. but for under 200 bucks you really can't beat them. they have been documented with lots of crashes and good results.

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I bought some G-force harnesses from OGRacing back in 05. They are decent starter harnesses, but I will be upgrading to Schroth's sometime this fall when I get new ones. After driving in a few different harnesses brands in lemons cars I totally agree the extra money for good ones is well worth it.
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G force are Good starter harnesses. The adjusters are a bit grabby and take a tug. but for under 200 bucks you really can't beat them. they have been documented with lots of crashes and good results.
Fortunately, I've not had to crash test them but I know people who have and they came out OK. I will say that the shoulders are easy to adjust and the 3" G-Force shoulder webbing works just fine with a HANS. But the laps . . . man what a pain. They would be a lot better if they were 2" I think. Also, if you get them really tight and don't have to change them for different drivers they're fine.

I've been instructing in a lot of high $ cars with really nice Schroth belts lately. Do want. Snug lap belts = safe lap belts.
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+1 for Schroth Profi II
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Before you get the schroth's Check out the OMP 805.

The lap belt is 2". Miata's are notoriously difficult to get a harness into. the solution is have a totally custom harness. the 805's adjuster can be moved inside or outside of the seat, or even switched from Pull-up to pull-down. this will allow you to achieve a perfect set up in a miata. the Aluminum adjusters are silky smooth with a firm positive lock. easy to tighten and keep tightened. Everyone that has a set loves them.

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Rick! Is your current harness setup a 5, or a 6 point?

I have a couple Schroth Profi-II 6 Hans harnesses coming next week (they are on backorder). They can be configured in either a pull-up or a pull-down, which is one reason I bought them. Right now I only have a driver's seat to install in the car, and I'm not buying passenger seat from OG until mid-July.

If swapping out belts is relatively easy, when my belts come in, you can try one out in your car if you like. I wont be using it until i get my passenger seat. If you have the time, it will be a good way for me to see how to properly configure and install a harness as well
Right now I'm 5-point and will have to change up my sub mounts to go to 6-point -- which I need to do regardless as you can't get a harness of the quality I'm looking for in 5-point anymore.

My car is down at the moment though. Spun a bearing on Saturday. It's at MER, should have it back in a couple of weeks with a decent VVT motor in it. It was fun telling all the Porsche and 'Vette guys that MER had a spare engine waiting for me that cost far less than their brake pads.

As thin as you are and as narrow as your seat is going to be, I think having the adjustment at the buckle ala Safecraft/Schroth Enduro might be important for you. Maybe we should test sit you. When I talked about the pull-ups not getting tight enough, I was thinking about that time you came out and rode with me.
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Before you get the schroth's Check out the OMP 805.

The lap belt is 2". Miata's are notoriously difficult to get a harness into. the solution is have a totally custom harness. the 805's adjuster can be moved inside or outside of the seat, or even switched from Pull-up to pull-down. this will allow you to achieve a perfect set up in a miata. the Aluminum adjusters are silky smooth with a firm positive lock. easy to tighten and keep tightened. Everyone that has a set loves them.
I also noticed the OMP 806 on your site . . . looks like the Schroth Enduros. Honestly, the closer I can get the pull-down adjusters to the buckle, the better I think. I'll bet in a few years 2" laps with pull-down buckle-integrated adjusters will be a common feature. It seems like a much better solution. Can't think of a downside to it.
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Right now I'm 5-point and will have to change up my sub mounts to go to 6-point -- which I need to do regardless as you can't get a harness of the quality I'm looking for in 5-point anymore.

My car is down at the moment though. Spun a bearing on Saturday. It's at MER, should have it back in a couple of weeks with a decent VVT motor in it. It was fun telling all the Porsche and 'Vette guys that MER had a spare engine waiting for me that cost far less than their brake pads.

As thin as you are and as narrow as your seat is going to be, I think having the adjustment at the buckle ala Safecraft/Schroth Enduro might be important for you. Maybe we should test sit you. When I talked about the pull-ups not getting tight enough, I was thinking about that time you came out and rode with me.
Yeah, I remember that issue with it not getting tight enough, which is why i bought a belt that can be pull-up or down. I also thought the same thing about possibly needing Enduro belts too. Not sure why that adjustment feature makes it cost $200 more than the profi-II hans, but if I need to spend the cash to get a safe setup, I'll return/sell one of the Profi-II and buy an Enduro belt.

I'm debating getting my driver side seat and harness installed by MER, just because it's safety gear.

Sucks that you spun a bearing, but the VVT motor will probably get you some more midrange. How many hours on the motor before the spun bearing? Just out of curiosity...
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I also noticed the OMP 806 on your site . . . looks like the Schroth Enduros. Honestly, the closer I can get the pull-down adjusters to the buckle, the better I think. I'll bet in a few years 2" laps with pull-down buckle-integrated adjusters will be a common feature. It seems like a much better solution. Can't think of a downside to it.

You mean like on the OMP 806. the only downside is that the adjuster need to be made from Steel. the adjustment isn't as buttery smooth as when we use aluminum. In a tight space you can't get any more compact.
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How many hours on the motor before the spun bearing? Just out of curiosity...
Wish I kept records that good. Anyway, been flailing on it for a couple of years. Guessing a bit over 200 hours? Also, this was the motor that the machine shop sand blasted the head and left grit in the oil passages. I'm sure you remember my intake valve issue at Hallett a couple of years ago. Same bottom end.
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Something else to consider for the OMP 806 vs. Schroth Enduro:

The OMP "zip adjuster" is only on the lap belt. The Schroth has the same style adjuster for the shoulder belts and the lap belts. Not that standard shoulder adjusters are hard to use...just something to consider.
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For sanity's sake, putting it all down in one place (all prices are full retail as of today):

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