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Old 02-19-2011, 10:08 AM   #21
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whoa! slow down buddy. how are the rest of us supposed to play with those numbers.
Ahhh... thats a wet dream. Ain't gonna happen. I don't think so anyway? I shooting for 350 after the 1.8 is dropped in, but I've stalled on that project finanically - for now.

I think Nasa is biased against the miatas, that's my
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I'm officially done with NASA after submitting my off season changes for classification and getting the result. I added 11hp and dropped 15lbs and got hit with a 14 point assessment. WTF? Turns out miata got hit with a new base weight this year. Yay!

So, now my options are to remove points, make the car slower to stay in TTB, (where I'm pedalling as fast as I can with my current setup to catch the overdog M3), or enter the arms race in TTA (where the same TTB M3 crushes the entire TTA field) . I have no desire to do either.

The TTC** M3 (E46) gets to add an exhaust that drops 60lbs and adds hp, and gets no points ecu reflashes w/o needing dyno classification. Stays in same class as last year, while the miata takes it up the ***.

Spoolin, did you get your reclass? Required due to the change in the base weight. Did you see that glass is now required in your top? Dont forget all the numbering/lettering/decal requirements for a class supposedly for "street cars".

Sadly, this means no TxMC for me either. Yeah, I could run hpde, but it's a matter of principle to me. They tout "rules stability", I build my car to the rules, and then the rules change. WTF> I'm done.

I'll run PCA TT and hpde with other orgs, and battle Hustler at [email protected]
no i have not reclassed, i'm just signing up for tta. i don't care since TxMC isn't running all the nasa events anyway. why no TxMC? you know you drop 2 events right? that means you only have to run 1 nasa event and still get full season points. who care's about nasa tt, you don't have fun playing with your TxMC buddies? just run TTA. you do know that de4 and TT run same open passing group now right? the plus about signing up for tt (regardless of class) is 1 tech for the whole year. rules stability? this ain't auto-x. even there the class rules change on occasion. you do know that the reason we have to get re-classed is because of forced induction right? if not you would be adding all the points for mods like headers, intake, exhaust, etc.. plus any susp., aero, tires and what not. ken is maxed out on points and is very fast, but in other regions the class is dominated by evo's/suby's. what about the first standalone TxMC event in june @ harris hill? keep it on the dl but they are planning on having their first spec miata rac...er challenge. (can't use the r word for litigational reasons) that day. be great for comparing our lap times. all the other TxMC events will be at open track days at tws, msr-h, etc..no rules makers to **** on your glory! (or defeat if i can make it happen)
don't be a quitter. btw, you weren't at the awards ceremony to receive your trophy for ttb 2010. did you get it? better call somebody if not. don't give up the belt without a fight champ.
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Ahhh... thats a wet dream. Ain't gonna happen. I don't think so anyway? I shooting for 350 after the 1.8 is dropped in, but I've stalled on that project finanically - for now.

I think Nasa is biased against the miatas, that's my :2cents:
nasa did this due to the large number of complaints from non-miata drivers losing to miata drivers. fact of the matter is in many regions, in classes from tte to tta, miata's are winning regional championships and setting class/track records. have you ever watched world challenge or koni (now continental) challenge? from one event to another some cars gain weight and restrictor plates, and some lose them in an effort to make a level playing field out of a super diverse group of cars. not sticking up for nasa, just pointing out a few facts. i know that in my neck of the woods atleast, i don't have as much fun with any other track group. plus at a regular hpde there isn't that whole motorsports atmosphere that occurs when there are actual races to watch.
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The 2011 NASA Time Trial Rules (v 8.1) have been approved and were released and are posted online. NASA has attempted to make improvements to the series as we continue with our goal of providing as much “rules stability” as possible.



Thanks anyway John. H2R sounds interesting and I'll try to make that one if schedule permmits. Not sure how they are going to handle the sound restrictions w/spec challenge. Hopefully they won't make me shove a bananna up my tailpipe, cause the miata is tired enough from the *** pounding by NASA.
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Since it was Sunday I figured I better use up my last of my weekly fail allocation.
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Ok, I've calmed down and un-bunched my panties. I'm back in. Here's why:

1.) Too much fun to sit out and watch from the side-lines.
2.) I get to humiliate at least a few TTA cars in my puny miata.
3.) It's the only track Hustler beat me on last year. Revenge will be served cold.
4.) It's too much fun.
5.) Cause ****'em, that's why.
6.) It's seriously too much fun to miss.

See ya'll there.

Edit: just realized I derailed the thread somewhat. Sorry. Back to shitty miata TT classing
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Ok, I've calmed down and un-bunched my panties. I'm back in. Here's why:

1.) Too much fun to sit out and watch from the side-lines.
2.) I get to humiliate at least a few TTA cars in my puny miata.
3.) It's the only track Hustler beat me on last year. Revenge will be served cold.
4.) It's too much fun.
5.) Cause ****'em, that's why.
6.) It's seriously too much fun to miss.

See ya'll there.

Edit: just realized I derailed the thread somewhat. Sorry. Back to shitty miata TT classing
yaaaaayyyyyyyy!
that's what i'm talkin' about! killin' vettes is awesome. beating hustler is icing on the cake. my buddy and i are preppin' the crx for battle. so if my miata is still dead we'll be campaigning that beast. barring some weird handling issue from the illumina/gc setup i just put on it, the crx should be pretty quick. it's an 11 sec. drag car so if i can get it to hook up great, if not, well i'll be
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We need to start MC in the south east, that's something genesplicer would be competitive at.
Yeah right. I think that it is good to start in that place. I really love to go southeast.
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If you're going to necro a thread at least use proper grammar.

Jeebuz, gtfo!
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I happen to come across this thread looking for front splitters somehow, but I figured I'd chime in on my classing in case someone comes across this old thread looking for classing info. My initial email was

"Hello Greg. I am looking to get a dyno reclassification due to forced induction. Car is a 94 Mazda Miata. Max horsepower on the three pulls is 220whp. I'd like to be classed based on 235whp to be conservative. As shown on the graph, the car is running really rich for some reason so I'll have to get it dyno'd again sometime. I am aiming to be in TTA (no stars). Currrent competition weight is 2502lbs, but I'm still taking out weight, just didn't want to take out too much to be in TTA.

I would like to know what my minimum competition weight is for base class of TTA (no stars) for 235whp in a 1994 Mazda Miata."


The response from Greg (a month later) was

"Your '94 Mazda Miata with forced induction and a maximum of 235 rwhp on a Dynojet, and minimum competition weight of 2440 lbs, will have a new base class of PTB**/TTB** (fourteen points). Your new base tire size is 265mm. You will not need to assess modification points for engine mods or weight reduction. However, all other modifications, including transmission and LSD, that are not standard items on a base trim '94 Mazda Miata must be assessed points. You must be compliant with the above listed maximum Dynojet hp and minimum competition weight during any tech inspection.

Or,

Your '94 Mazda Miata with forced induction and a maximum of 235 rwhp on a Dynojet, and minimum competition weight of 2160 lbs, will have a new base class of PTA*/TTA* (seven points). Your new base tire size is 295mm. You will not need to assess modification points for engine mods or weight reduction. However, all other modifications, including transmission and LSD, that are not standard items on a base trim '94 Mazda Miata must be assessed points. You must be compliant with the above listed maximum Dynojet hp and minimum competition weight during any tech inspection.

Or,

Your '94 Mazda Miata with forced induction and a maximum of 262 rwhp on a Dynojet, and minimum competition weight of 2338 lbs, will have a new base class of PTA*/TTA* (seven points). Your new base tire size is 295mm. You will not need to assess modification points for engine mods or weight reduction. However, all other modifications, including transmission and LSD, that are not standard items on a base trim '94 Mazda Miata must be assessed points. You must be compliant with the above listed maximum Dynojet hp and minimum competition weight during any tech inspection."

I ended up going with the last option, as it made more sense to pick one of the TTA* options than trying to do the TTB** option. Maybe sometime down the road I'll try to really strip the hell out of the car to get it down to the lower horsepower/weight TTA* option.

I also picked TTA based on the local competition here in Arizona. The TTB leaders (BMWs) are consistently faster than all of the TTA competitors.

Also notice, I asked specifically for TTA no stars and was told that wasn't possible.
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We need to start MC in the south east, that's something genesplicer would be competitive at.
They don't want that. SE would dominate MC just like everything else.
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You got that right...

I'd be game for seeing if we can put something together. There's a small track around Talledega that's cheap to rent, Talledega Grand Prix. APR often rents the track for test/tune for $800/day. I've often thought about going in with several guys for a fun day of testing. It's a cheaper option to see what turn-out would be like.
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Also notice, I asked specifically for TTA no stars and was told that wasn't possible.
You wont get a TTA base class in a Miata because of the tire points takeback. No way, no how.

You can have a competitive Miata in the lower classes like TTF and TTE if you work the rules and take advantage of +0 mods whenever possible. That said, the upper classes ARE biased against them heavily.
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I'm moving to Houston so it looks like I'll be playing with you guys. I'm coming from SCCA SSM, which is basically unlimited, so I'm trying to wrap my head around NASA TT classing. I'm expecting to get re-classed into TTA*

From there, it looks like I'll be +7 for the *, +7 NT01, -19 for 225's, +3 6 speed, +3 diff (I'm assuming I still take these points, even though my torsen was stock on my '94) +3 shocks, +2 springs, +2 sway bars, +2 brakes, +3 air dam, +3 splitter, +4 wing.

which puts me at +20... which puts me in TTU? ****

Assuming I did that right, I guess I could run 205 R6's, which would shave 3 points and keep me in TTA with 2 points to spare. I've been running on 275 R6's... 205's are gonna feel like roller skates!
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Hustler and I were in the neighborhood of 235rwhp - which the master Dickator Greenbaum based classed us as TTB**

Yeah - welcome to Nasa TT

IF I wanted to just get out and play - I'm going straight TTS/TTU and do all the aeroshit I can. Only take points for tires and weight basically. Good luck!
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for the ballers with cash, what would running a A6 versus the R6 do for points? has anyone done a lap time comparison on... for example a6 225 vs r6 245 or whatever.
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Hustler and I were in the neighborhood of 235rwhp - which the master Dickator Greenbaum based classed us as TTB**

Yeah - welcome to Nasa TT

IF I wanted to just get out and play - I'm going straight TTS/TTU and do all the aeroshit I can. Only take points for tires and weight basically. Good luck!
I'm fighting to drop down into TTD with my NA swap, but it's looking like TTC.
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I'm moving to Houston so it looks like I'll be playing with you guys. I'm coming from SCCA SSM, which is basically unlimited, so I'm trying to wrap my head around NASA TT classing. I'm expecting to get re-classed into TTA*

From there, it looks like I'll be +7 for the *, +7 NT01, -19 for 225's, +3 6 speed, +3 diff (I'm assuming I still take these points, even though my torsen was stock on my '94) +3 shocks, +2 springs, +2 sway bars, +2 brakes, +3 air dam, +3 splitter, +4 wing.

which puts me at +20... which puts me in TTU? ****

Assuming I did that right, I guess I could run 205 R6's, which would shave 3 points and keep me in TTA with 2 points to spare. I've been running on 275 R6's... 205's are gonna feel like roller skates!
you'll also take +3 for fascia, +3 for the diff...you're looking at TTA where you'll probably be crushed. TTA is known as "spec C5" with a ton of crazy fast Evos too. I hope you know how to drive.

Where are you going in Houston and when?
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