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Old 03-01-2011, 06:41 PM   #1
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Default Never considered how much damage a tow hook can cause

A guy from a OG honda board smashed into an armco @115mph. His tow hook penetrated the armco and caused his front end to shift significantly.

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Tow hooks...good or bad?
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Old 03-01-2011, 06:43 PM   #2
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never learned the English language very well either?


His **** was fucked regardless of the hook...
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Quite nifty how he kept steering with the airbag popped out. Why did he lost it anyway?
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fixed. lol.
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I am surprised his track car still has airbags in it, and he **** was done no matter what at that speed.
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I understand he was done for, but what if he didn't impact as hard but hook still penetrated the armco? Not sure if this makes any difference.
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what's an armco and why did he crash anyway? seemed the *** end just came around. Rear wing came off?
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Armco is railing.

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Looks like if he hit an armco at 115, the tow hook prevented much more severe damage.
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That honda took the kit pretty well. I'm impressed.
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I can't figure out why the car came around like that. Right where he wrecked along the front straight is a kink and ideally you treat it like an apex, but there's little steering input required to do so. And there's no weirdness in the track surface there that I remember. Maybe he hit some debris or fluid, I dunno. It's just a bizarre place to wreck. The car looks pretty good though, considering. That should buff right out.

I have seen an RX-8 crash almost in that exact same spot, but that was a known case of money shifting- guy was in 4th and wanted to grab 5th but got 3rd instead. The loss of rear traction as he apexed the kink caused it to come around and eat the Armco. VIR will bill you for replacement, and you can keep the bent stuff as a souvenir.
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Agreed, the sideways skimming did all the damage, regardless of the tow hook.

It's weird, looking at the video then back up at the pictures, it almost appears as if they've replaced the windshield in the pictures.

I also agree with the fluid/debris theory, he doesn't seem like a terribly aggressive driver, and that spin came out of no where.
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look at his face in the rearview, he was watching to make sure he cleared the Porsche, looks up thinks he needs to turn in and looses it.

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looks like he had a blowout? Or possibly a suspension link fail?

That kind of oversteer... in a FWD car could not happen (IMO) from such a tiny steering input. It takes a lot more to upset the rear or a FWD car.
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After reading some of the responses and watching the video several times and slowing down, his turning input starts well before the spin and the wheel does not move when the car started rotating. I thought at first he lost concentration as I noticed him checking mirrors as well just prior. But he does not add more input as is required to get car to come around like that. Does seem something broke causing this.
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It's weird, looking at the video then back up at the pictures, it almost appears as if they've replaced the windshield in the pictures.
I don't think so. In the first picture, it's quite clear that the windshield is cracked up on the pax side, and in the second pic you can just barely make out a few spiderwebs at the bottom of the glass.

It does seem that only the inside layer cracked, and that the outside layer is completely intact. Damned odd, and it makes me wonder- did the airbag do that? It does seem that the damage radiates outward from a point just above the airbag enclosure.

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Does seem something broke causing this.
That's been driving me nuts as well. It seems like he is fairly steady-state on both steering and throttle when it just goes sideways. I can't even see any sudden jerk in the wheel, which I'd expect if he had a front blowout or something on the front suspension just came apart.
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I don't think so. In the first picture, it's quite clear that the windshield is cracked up on the pax side, and in the second pic you can just barely make out a few spiderwebs at the bottom of the glass.

It does seem that only the inside layer cracked, and that the outside layer is completely intact. Damned odd, and it makes me wonder- did the airbag do that? It does seem that the damage radiates outward from a point just above the airbag enclosure.
iPhone picture viewing fail then.

It is the airbag, in an accident of mine the only thing that damaged the windshield was the passenger air bag cover flying up, I couldn't even bend the panel back, as it was now stuck between the top of the dash and the windshield.
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Lol, read the video description people.


"Lost the engine on the front straight,putting down oil.I spun in the oil,hit the wall.Fail."
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"Lost the engine on the front straight,putting down oil.I spun in the oil,hit the wall.Fail."
Comments not appearing when the video is viewed as an embed into the forum thread fail, I guess.

Oil on the track makes a lot of sense. Damned odd that I couldn't tell any change in the sound coming from the engine.
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