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99Racer 02-24-2016 01:13 AM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1310315)
Just realized that my temp sensor won't fit in an adapter because of how long the tip is. Need to figure out another way to do it.

I had a similar problem with a mechanical water temp sensor tip blocking about 30% of the cross section of the water flow. Various gauge suppliers have adapters and extensions available. (As I recall, I used an Autometer 2270 in my application).

Accessories - Adapters, Fitting & Hose

Try Jegs, Summit, etc.

aidandj 02-24-2016 04:07 PM

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Had @hi_im_sean throw this together for me.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1456348067
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1456348067

Similar to TSE adapter, but the top has a 1/4 npt fitting, with a 1/4-1/8npt adapter. The male is BSPT, and the female on the end is BSPT for the stock pressure sender.

There is a 1/8npt on the other side for oil feed.

Hopefully @Savington gets my message in time to cancel my adapter order.

Schadenfreude 02-27-2016 01:49 PM

In for mx592's housing & bracket group buy. JK. but SRS.:jerkit:

cyotani 03-10-2016 05:08 PM

Setrab 25 row oil cooler on ebay for $85. It looks to be a different version than most of the miata "kits" with built in AN fittings. I'm giving it a shot. Can't beat the price.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/927AN10-SETR...5Wl~f8&vxp=mtr


I added another item and stacked it with this $20 off $100 ebay coupon.

aidandj 03-10-2016 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by cyotani (Post 1314851)
Setrab 25 row oil cooler on ebay for $85. It looks to be a different version with built in AN fittings. I'm giving it a shot. Can't beat the price.

927AN10 Setrab Oil Cooler 50 927 4062 M 25 Row 8" High 14" Wide 2" Thick | eBay


I added another item and stacked it with this $20 off $100 ebay coupon.

I have one. You can offer $65.

It's significantly longer than the usual 25 row.

It's huge.

hi_im_sean 03-10-2016 05:23 PM

I have 2, accepted offer of $130 for 2.

dleavitt 03-10-2016 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1314852)
I have one. You can offer $65.

It's significantly longer than the usual 25 row.

It's huge.

This is way overkill for my currently N/A car, but that price is mighty tempting...

Other than blocking more of the radiator and weight, is there any disadvantage to having a monster oil cooler?

cyotani 03-10-2016 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1314852)
I have one. You can offer $65.

It's significantly longer than the usual 25 row.

It's huge.

"Bigger is always better" right?

Is it an AN10 fitting?

Der_Idiot 03-10-2016 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by dleavitt (Post 1314863)
This is way overkill for my currently N/A car, but that price is mighty tempting...

Other than blocking more of the radiator and weight, is there any disadvantage to having a monster oil cooler?

I run a 25row w/ the standard MOCAL adapter thermostat mounted just like Aidan here and it takes a little while for oil to heat up on warmish days (60*+). You may have to block part of the cooler on cold days, I know I do (I also have a 55mm Mishi rad) but I've been driving in 40-50* days. Just do what I do: Duct tape over a cardboard sheet so it doesn't get soggy, leave a long flap to grab for a handle to extract it and leave it in the trunk on warm days.

hi_im_sean 03-10-2016 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by cyotani (Post 1314872)
"Bigger is always better" right?

Is it an AN10 fitting?

Aidan's diaper changer here,

They are AN10, but male, instead of the usual female ports.

https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...0/#post1312453

cyotani 03-10-2016 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by hi_im_sean (Post 1314899)
Aidan's diaper changer here,

They are AN10, but male, instead of the usual female ports.

https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...0/#post1312453

Perfect. just what I needed. Thanks for the info. :likecat:

aidandj 03-11-2016 12:36 AM

To clarify again. Its huge. Like 4 inches longer than the one in the TSE kit.

.one lane 03-11-2016 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1314852)
I have one. You can offer $65.

It's significantly longer than the usual 25 row.

It's huge.

Tried 65 but that was rejected. I got mine for 75, still a good price.

psyber_0ptix 06-07-2016 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by mx592 (Post 1266577)
I recently finished installing my oil cooler kit from Trackspeed (19 row) and I thought I would share.

First off, I have an intercooler and A/C already in front of my Koyo 38mm rad. They are fairly well ducted but i was already seeing water temps creeping upward throughout each 20 minute track session without ever leveling off, so i didn't think stacking the oil cooler with the other heat exchangers was a good idea. I decided to put it as high as possible in the front right corner of the car.

Being that the wheel well is a high pressure area with rocks and debris flying around constantly, I decided that ducting the exit air out the front bumper just in front of the wheel would be…better. In other words I stole the idea from Ryan Passey.

I started out by fabricating the mounting brackets and adding rivet nuts to the chassis to bolt it in. Part of the bracketry was for attaching the duct work.





https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1442296300


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https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1442296300

First I attempted to fabricate the ducting from aluminum. I had a feeling I was using too thin of a gauge and it would be hard to weld. I was right - I just don't have the chops to weld .035" alum, so I gave up on welding and took a more "fun" approach


https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1442296300


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https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1442296300

Being that I have a home made 3-D printer in my kitchen, it was the natural choice for plan B. I started out by transferring the measurements off the aluminum prototype into a SolidWorks model. I had to print both the inlet side and the outlet side in two halves, since my build platform is only 8x8x11. It took a few iterations and a couple failed prints but I finally got some decent parts! They are printed from ABS so hopefully it will be able to take the temperature. We will see what happens at the next track day.


https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1442296300


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The inlet starts out as a 3" aluminum tube that I mounted to the frame. I cut a hole in the bumper and poked it out. The printed inlet duct is connected to the aluminum tube via a short piece of brake duct hose, which keeps some flexibility in the system in case the front gets bumped (the printed parts really aren't that strong).


https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1442296300


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Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix (Post 1294700)
I'll just leave this right here:

Oil cooler duct kit with mounting brackets

1. EO2k
2. Psyber_0ptix
3.




boop

EO2K 06-07-2016 11:31 AM

:yippee:

Savington 06-07-2016 11:46 AM

What would you two be willing to pay for something like that?

psyber_0ptix 06-07-2016 12:30 PM

I will pay in US currency. But, definitely would pay for a product. If composite or something a bit stronger, I wouldn't mind shelling out some dough as it's nicely put together and a good solution especially if I'm keeping A/C and don't want to stack so many heat exchangers in a row. I know a one off would be rather pricey, I don't know if there's enough volume for a vendor to make a single run batch. I'd pay mid triple digits since I don't have the facility to print/manufacture these myself. But this is flexible depending on the end product if someone is willing to take this on. Though I just realized this is for a 19row Setrab cooler while I have a 25row

I'm curious if a wider collector/scoop/velocity stack could be used up front instead of a pipe.

Der_Idiot 06-07-2016 01:19 PM

I would love one for my 25 row, does that leave room for a second fan? I had my needle start to climb the other day on asphalt on a 90* sunny day. Pulled over and grounded out the fan in the diagnostic box to cool it down, pretty sure moving the cooler from the A/C fan spot to there and adding back that second fan would fix this.

psyber_0ptix 06-07-2016 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by Der_Idiot (Post 1336995)
I would love one for my 25 row, does that leave room for a second fan? I had my needle start to climb the other day on asphalt on a 90* sunny day. Pulled over and grounded out the fan in the diagnostic box to cool it down, pretty sure moving the cooler from the A/C fan spot to there and adding back that second fan would fix this.

Just curious, pressing the A/C button with the interior fan doesn't manually activate your fan?




Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix (Post 1294700)
I'll just leave this right here:

Oil cooler [25 row] duct kit with mounting brackets

1. EO2k
2. Psyber_0ptix
3. Der_Idiot
4.


how many people would we need for there to be interest in making this a reality?

vtjballeng 06-07-2016 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by mx592 (Post 1266577)
Being that I have a home made 3-D printer in my kitchen, it was the natural choice for plan B. I started out by transferring the measurements off the aluminum prototype into a SolidWorks model. I had to print both the inlet side and the outlet side in two halves, since my build platform is only 8x8x11. It took a few iterations and a couple failed prints but I finally got some decent parts! They are printed from ABS so hopefully it will be able to take the temperature. We will see what happens at the next track day.

Beautiful. ~90C ABS starts to weaken. ~105C it weakens more (Tg or glass transition). Oil temps will likely reach these values so I would recommend another material if possible.

http://www.nrri.umn.edu/NLTC/ABS07.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_transition
http://www.stratasys.com/materials/fdm/pc

If you have good airflow and an insulated / gasketed gap you can probably get away with ABS. PC or PC/ABS mix will raise the temp as you can gain ~50C or ~20C respectively on the glass transition temperature.


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