Originally Posted by DNMakinson
(Post 1417624)
What harmonic balancer / damper?
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Originally Posted by The Australian
(Post 1417638)
My oil cooler set up (photos above earlier in thread) also incorporates a filter relocation and it was not that difficult to retain the brace. I did remove it while installing to give more room to work when attaching the fittings and hoses to the engine block, but reinstalled afterwards. I don't have any sharp bends, excessive hose length or chafe points.
I think what I'm really trying to determine is if I need to go: Sandwich => -10AN adaptor => Straight -10AN female hose end vs Sandwich => -10AN adaptor => 90 degree -10AN female hose end I don't want to buy a kit, and then have to purchase additional fittings to make it work. And, If I can be spoon fed, I don't have to re-invent what has been solved before. |
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1417633)
I used to say the same thing until I pulled the last motor out of Rover. ~3 years of track days, Squaretop manifold, no brace. There was a large (1x1x1") chunk broken out of the corner of the #1 runner of the manifold, straight through one of the mounting ears and all the way down into the runner, and four of the nine IM studs were broken. Suddenly I'm a fan of the OEM IM brace, or some sort of replacement which is compatible with oil coolers.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1417633)
I used to say the same thing until I pulled the last motor out of Rover. ~3 years of track days, Squaretop manifold, no brace. There was a large (1x1x1") chunk broken out of the corner of the #1 runner of the manifold, straight through one of the mounting ears and all the way down into the runner, and four of the nine IM studs were broken. Suddenly I'm a fan of the OEM IM brace, or some sort of replacement which is compatible with oil coolers.
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Originally Posted by DNMakinson
(Post 1417683)
However, no pictures in the area of concern.
I think what I'm really trying to determine is if I need to go: Sandwich => -10AN adaptor => Straight -10AN female hose end vs Sandwich => -10AN adaptor => 90 degree -10AN female hose end . In the area of concern, I used a filter relocation block with -10an 45 degree fittings that are angled upward and rearward in the direction of 10 o'clock. As one fitting is central to the block and the other is offset, I experimented with the block and fittings loose but attached with hoses until I had the ideal arc up to the filter location. Because there is no stack of filter + sandwich plate to accommodate, it is fairly easy to route and maintain the maintain the brace. |
Originally Posted by The Australian
(Post 1417749)
Indeed, sorry about that.
In the area of concern, I used a filter relocation block with -10an 45 degree fittings that are angled upward and rearward in the direction of 10 o'clock. As one fitting is central to the block and the other is offset, I experimented with the block and fittings loose but attached with hoses until I had the ideal arc up to the filter location. Because there is no stack of filter + sandwich plate to accommodate, it is fairly easy to route and maintain the maintain the brace. Thanks for the further reply. |
Originally Posted by DNMakinson
(Post 1417753)
Oh, of course. By filter relocation, you avoid most issues, but loose the direct thermostat.
Thanks for the further reply. |
Originally Posted by The Australian
(Post 1417756)
The filter block (shown in the photos) contains a thermostat that opens at 180f. The cooler is bypassed for most flow when the temp is low. Is that what you mean by 'direct thermostat'?
I was referring to the sandwich plates that have the T/Stat right there at the block, and was picturing the T/Stat on the remote oil mount to be kind of like the water T/Stat on a M-Tuned reroute. However, I understand what you are saying, that the oil from the block is always circulated up to the remote filter assy, with the thermostat. |
This is is what I have attached to the block in place of the filter:
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https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...db6e6443a3.png
And this accepts the filter mounted remotely, contains the thermostat that diverts to the oil cooler when up to temp. It also has ports for temp and pressure sensors. |
Originally Posted by The Australian
(Post 1417786)
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And this accepts the filter mounted remotely, contains the thermostat that diverts to the oil cooler when up to temp. It also has ports for temp and pressure sensors. Looks like the perfect piece for cooler and relocation at the same time. Does anybody else have experience with this? |
This thread reminds me I need to start logging oil temps... I turn lots of RPM
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I followed the link to that GREX filter relocation/oil cooler adapter, but I can't find what temperature the thermostat opens at?
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Originally Posted by Chilicharger665
(Post 1417879)
I followed the link to that GREX filter relocation/oil cooler adapter, but I can't find what temperature the thermostat opens at?
They use Celsius for the units. 160f to 180f. |
There's also this one, which is offered with 185 and 215 degree thermostats:
Remote Engine & Transmission Oil Filter Mount with Thermostat ENV-170 https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...27c429aa5e.jpg |
I'll be the naysayer and say that I could never see the logic in a remote filter setup. It is a bunch of added cost, lots of extra fittings and leak points, and a bunch of extra hoses just to make the filter easier to reach. I just don't struggle that much to reach the filter in these cars the 2-3x a year I have to do it.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1417903)
I'll be the naysayer and say that I could never see the logic in a remote filter setup. It is a bunch of added cost, lots of extra fittings and leak points, and a bunch of extra hoses just to make the filter easier to reach. I just don't struggle that much to reach the filter in these cars the 2-3x a year I have to do it.
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I kinda like the idea of a larger filter for less pressure drop. It's also gives me more room for an intake brace.
Go with straight fittings whenever you can, if you have to use a 90 use the tube style sweeps and keep them to a minimum. |
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1417903)
I'll be the naysayer and say that I could never see the logic in a remote filter setup. It is a bunch of added cost, lots of extra fittings and leak points, and a bunch of extra hoses just to make the filter easier to reach. I just don't struggle that much to reach the filter in these cars the 2-3x a year I have to do it.
OTOH, if you do it with 4 crimped hoses and no adapters it may have fewer leak points than an average execution of a normal oil cooler setup. |
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