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Dietcoke 06-04-2018 04:40 AM


Originally Posted by The Australian (Post 1485204)


The braid you can see is a Nomex Kevlar mix.

*Hoses that abrade when rubbed against metal is asking for trouble

Better? I mean, you can literally see the hose cover coming apart (fuzzy) in the picture, and that's in free air.

Steve Dallas 06-04-2018 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by Dietcoke (Post 1485232)
*Hoses that abrade when rubbed against metal is asking for trouble

Better? I mean, you can literally see the hose cover coming apart (fuzzy) in the picture, and that's in free air.

I take it you are unaware of the stainless steel reinforced CPE hose inside the braided jacket?

sixshooter 06-04-2018 06:20 AM

I don't like steel braided exterior hoses because of their propensity to saw through everything they contact. The cloth is friendlier to other components. OEMs typically use rubber sheathed exteriors on their high pressure lines, just like hydraulic machinery manufacturers. Automobile applications are always very low pressure, though.

hornetball 06-04-2018 08:23 AM

The steel braid is armoring. I'd use it in places where impact with rocks/debris is expected (like a wheel well or long runs along the bottom of the chassis), but I think you are better off running your critical lines in more protected areas if you can.

Savington 06-04-2018 02:32 PM

If only there were a steel inner liner underneath the nylon layer to protect against such a thing.

If only.

Savington 06-04-2018 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by The Australian (Post 1485038)
I will be re-thinking my oil cooler location.

I think it's probably easier to rethink running into shit with the front of the car :)

matrussell122 06-04-2018 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1485286)
I think it's probably easier to rethink running into shit with the front of the car :)

This might just be too easy of a solution though.

The Australian 06-04-2018 10:28 PM

There’s no stainless braid in these lines. I was impressed that they were able to withstand the cooler being pulled under the wheel without rupture, tear or separation from the hose ends. I will use the same material for the next configuration.

As always, I will continue to avoid contact with trackside infrastructure.

Dietcoke 06-04-2018 10:32 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1485285)
If only there were a steel inner liner underneath the nylon layer to protect against such a thing.

If only.

Yeah, if only. Except there isn't. I'm very familiar with the line in question.

afm 06-05-2018 01:36 AM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1485285)
If only there were a steel inner liner underneath the nylon layer to protect against such a thing.

If only.

That line looks like Startlite, which has no steel.

On the other hand, the fuzziness doesn't really mean a whole lot, since it has easy-to-fuzz Nomex mixed in. It did survive being run over by a car.

Dietcoke 06-05-2018 01:53 AM


Originally Posted by afm (Post 1485362)
That line looks like Startlite, which has no steel.

On the other hand, the fuzziness doesn't really mean a whole lot, since it has easy-to-fuzz Nomex mixed in. It did survive being run over by a car.

I mean, so would a vacuum line.

live4soccer7 06-05-2018 01:35 PM

Oil Cooler Stud Thread Sizes?
 
I have an application for this oil warmer/cooler that is not in a miata, but rather a small diesel engine. The oil filter "Stud" on that engine is 20x1.5mm and it seems most of these coolers adapt to a 3/4-16 thread. The oil filter threads themselves don't matter much to me because I can get a different filter.

Does anyone know what the thread size is on these that goes in to the block and what the thread size is on the coupler that screws in to the oil cooler/warmer housing? This particular cooler/warmer is one of the few that would fit in the allotted space I have.

I did do a search of this thread and didn't find anything relating to the thread size unless it was written out strangely.

Ultimately, i am looking to adapt to a block that has a 20x1.5mm female thread.

Thanks in advance for any information!

The Australian 06-05-2018 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by live4soccer7 (Post 1485420)
I have an application for this oil warmer/cooler that is not in a miata, but rather a small diesel engine. The oil filter "Stud" on that engine is 20x1.5mm and it seems most of these coolers adapt to a 3/4-16 thread. The oil filter threads themselves don't matter much to me because I can get a different filter.

Does anyone know what the thread size is on these that goes in to the block and what the thread size is on the coupler that screws in to the oil cooler/warmer housing? This particular cooler/warmer is one of the few that would fit in the allotted space I have.

I did do a search of this thread and didn't find anything relating to the thread size unless it was written out strangely.

Ultimately, i am looking to adapt to a block that has a 20x1.5mm female thread.

Thanks in advance for any information!

have a browse here for filter blocks: https://www.rhdjapan.com/search/bran...s-and-fittings

There are options for M20 P1.5 which should do what you want. You also need to select the size lines you want to use (mine are 10AN) and select the filter block accordingly. The cooler itself will require matching fittings.

live4soccer7 06-05-2018 03:39 PM

I'm looking for a cooler similar to what is on the miata. A sandwich type of cooler, that I can run coolant through. Not a oil block that redirects the oil to an air cooler or other. I need something small and contained such as the cooler that comes on the miata 1.8L. I just don't know what the stud threads on are these and that go in to the block. I have not been able to find any mention of this or documentation on it either.

The Australian 06-05-2018 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by Dietcoke (Post 1485363)
I mean, so would a vacuum line.

For clarity, I drove over the cooler. The lines prevented the cooler from passing fully under the wheel, the wheel then skidded on the cooler which was ‘tethered’ to the car by the lines, having had the metal brackets securing it ripped off by the initial impact. That’s how the soil/clay you can see became imbedded in the cooler. I’m very impressed that the lines istood up to that (and that the cooler did not rupture).

In any case, the point of my original post was to share an experience about the vulnerability of the bumper corner. Had my cooler been in the engine bay behind the radiator, race tape would have been enough for me to finish the day.

The Australian 06-05-2018 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by live4soccer7 (Post 1485445)
I'm looking for a cooler similar to what is on the miata. A sandwich type of cooler, that I can run coolant through. Not a oil block that redirects the oil to an air cooler or other. I need something small and contained such as the cooler that comes on the miata 1.8L. I just don't know what the stud threads on are these and that go in to the block. I have not been able to find any mention of this or documentation on it either.

M20 P1.5
The gadget you refer to is an oil warmer not a cooler.

ftjandra 06-05-2018 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by live4soccer7 (Post 1485445)
I'm looking for a cooler similar to what is on the miata. A sandwich type of cooler, that I can run coolant through. Not a oil block that redirects the oil to an air cooler or other. I need something small and contained such as the cooler that comes on the miata 1.8L. I just don't know what the stud threads on are these and that go in to the block. I have not been able to find any mention of this or documentation on it either.

If you are asking what the Miata oil filter thread size is, it's M20x1.5. The Miata block is tapped M20x1.5 and accepts a fully-threaded hollow 'stud'. The 'oil warmer' is then secured with a nut. The oil filter screws directly onto the stud.

live4soccer7 06-05-2018 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by ftjandra (Post 1485452)
If you are asking what the Miata oil filter thread size is, it's M20x1.5. The Miata block is tapped M20x1.5 and accepts a fully-threaded hollow 'stud'. The 'oil warmer' is then secured with a nut. The oil filter screws directly onto the stud.

This is exactly the information I was looking for. Thanks!

live4soccer7 06-05-2018 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by The Australian (Post 1485451)


M20 P1.5
The gadget you refer to is an oil warmer not a cooler.


It will essentially cool the oil a little bit as well. If the oil is 250F and the coolant is 160F on the return from the radiator then it will definitely cool it once it is warmed up. Just the same as it warms it during the startup/warmup period.

It is on a little 20HP diesel motor. A little cooling will go a long ways, especially when there was not engine oil cooler from the factory.

sixshooter 06-05-2018 04:32 PM

Yes, it is a oil temperature moderator. It warms and cools, just like your breath.


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