I'm in, just give me the word and I'll paypal you the funds. Looking forward to these!
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we are at 12 currently, if we dont get 3 more by order time(and im sure we will), ill spot the last 3 sets. so im confirming pricing at 15 people($87 per set) is a go!
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I'm still in.
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sounds good, give me paypal info and I will make payment. going to bed am am crazy busy until monday, will make payment then
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It's been a long twisting thread. What is the final product design? Is that $87 per side?
I am looking at doing the lowers in spherical and uppers in Delrin. With the talk of ICS using cheap sphericals what are the other options? |
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Originally Posted by k24madness
(Post 1195303)
It's been a long twisting thread. What is the final product design? Is that $87 per side?
the materials are going to be 1018 steel for the sleeves and 7075 aluminum for the spacers. price is for 1 car, both sides. you get: 1 pair of sleeves, 1 pair of snap rings, 4 spacers and shipping in the US. you source your own bearings and sealing implements, and either weld or retaining compound them into the knuckle. here is a rendering https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1420945487 and as a reminder to everyone the bearing dimensions you need to adhere to can be found on this page: 2 of these were $84 to my door from motion industries Item # AIB-10, AIB Series Spherical Bearings On Aurora Bearing Co. and here are the cheap alternatives from qa1 at summit http://www.summitracing.com/search/p...rder=Ascending
Originally Posted by k24madness
(Post 1195303)
I am looking at doing the lowers in spherical and uppers in Delrin. With the talk of ICS using cheap sphericals what are the other options?
this is the only other option besides ISC that i know of at the moment. and please understand i have no experience with their products and can only assume at their price point that they arnt auroras or equivelent. so to say that as fact would be conjecture. |
Are the QA1s really awful? My car is a dedicated autocross car that sees maybe 200 miles a year. Would the more expensive bearings be worth the expense?
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Originally Posted by hi_im_sean
(Post 1195316)
if you are talking about the rear outers (knuckle side), i think you have that backwards. the lowers dont require misalignment, they just need to pivot, so you would want the delrin in the lower position. the uppers need be able to misalign, so thats where youd want the spherical. this is the only other option besides ISC that i know of at the moment. and please understand i have no experience with their products and can only assume at their price point that they arnt auroras or equivelent. so to say that as fact would be conjecture. Now I understand what you're offering. Thanks |
Originally Posted by k24madness
(Post 1195367)
I was thinking of the lower inners front and rear. I thought that's were the binding occurs due to alignment bolts. Now I understand what you're offering. Thanks |
Originally Posted by 90civichhb
(Post 1195359)
Are the QA1s really awful? My car is a dedicated autocross car that sees maybe 200 miles a year. Would the more expensive bearings be worth the expense?
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Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1195408)
Do you mind replacing the QA1s 2-3 times a season vs the auoras lasting 1-2 seasons. Theres really no point to going through all the expense of putting sphericals in the car if you're just going to run ones that are so sloppy that you get more play in the joint than with the rubber bushing.
*edit* What degree of misalignment will you all be going with, if any? |
They're so cheap why don't you just give them a try? The whole point of the sleeves is to be able to service the bearing. Worst case scenario you get a couple of events out of them for $30. I don't think theyll be as bad as leafy makes them out to be. They won't last as long as auroras, but I think you'll get more than 2 events out of them.
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Originally Posted by 90civichhb
(Post 1195419)
What degree of misalignment will you all be going with, if any?
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Whatever the max toe in degrees you run is the most misalignment you should need.
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Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1195446)
Whatever the max toe in degrees you run is the most misalignment you should need.
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Thats true. I'm too lazy to do the math, it cant be much.
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here is evidence that there is significant longitudinal forces on the upper bushings.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1421020481 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1421020481 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1421020481 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1421020481 some grommets i had in a harbor freight assortment worked well as seals. ill need a different solution when/if i upgrade to larger spacers as these were a very tight fit. i had to cut one at a taper so it would seat in the sleeve https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1421020481 grease https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1421020481 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1421020481 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1421020481 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1421020481 clamped and sitting on jack stands over night https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1421020481 |
Very nice Sean! Job well done!
That bearing mount loctite is STRONG. I would trust it in this application. |
Originally Posted by k24madness
(Post 1195668)
Very nice Sean! Job well done!
That bearing mount loctite is STRONG. I would trust it in that application. we are at 15 now, im going to pm the 3 people who havnt responded yet, so if we get to 18, ill spot the last 2 sets and we can get the 20 qty. pricing. woohoo! |
Originally Posted by hi_im_sean
(Post 1195477)
here is evidence that there is significant longitudinal forces on the upper bushings.
Great work Sean! This has all happened a lot quicker than I was expecting ... :) |
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