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Old 09-21-2013, 02:47 AM   #101
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My sarcasm never does come across appropriately. I had already saw on Sonnys facebook that the s2k had pointed him by and backed out of it.
I see now that was the wrong thing to say. Appologies

I indeed respect you guys for your obvious domination of this platform. I do it all on my own, so asking you a million questions is my best chance at a shortcut. I wouldnt ask you if I had no respect. Again, sorry for the misunderstanding, I honestly wasnt implying that seriously. I was just in Awe!
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Old 09-21-2013, 02:49 AM   #102
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Where can I find his in car from the race btw? I only saw the TT lap
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Old 09-21-2013, 03:43 AM   #103
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Where can I find his in car from the race btw? I only saw the TT lap
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My bad. I thought he uploaded them already. I know he plans to. The heat race were fun. He was pretty gutted from the electrical failure (bouncing coolant hose broke alternator stud) on the last lap of teh championship race while leading.

Sorry for blasting you but it is sensitive subject with me right about now.
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Old 09-24-2013, 01:37 PM   #104
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The Miata had 5mph or more exit speed, and the S2000 lifted. Pretty clear if you watch the vid.
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Old 09-24-2013, 03:51 PM   #105
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Late to the party, but the rule about leaving 3/4 car width needs a couple of comments. I've been racing since '87, so this comes from a somewhat experienced competitor.

#1 - A rule saying you can take a competitor two wheels off is dangerous. If I'm providing insurance for NASA and someone points this out to me, bye-bye coverage. If they came back and showed me that the rule got revised, I would go over the entire rule book before underwriting them again, looking for similar gaps in judgement. I might have run a NASA event before becoming aware of the rule, but now I don't know if I can trust them to administer safe races.

#2 - Someone defended the rule by saying you intend to leave a car width but misjudged and only left 3/4, and that should be okay so leave the rule at 3/4. Bullshit. If the rule says 3/4, most people are going to leave 3/4 and that isn't smart or safe. If you shoot for a legal 1 car width and goof, take your penalty and calculate better next time.

As I review Emilio's video, I can't tell how far the Mini got up on Emilio. Would a Mini front fender be visible through the driver's window at that angle? Dunno. No clear evidence he ever got far enough up to have the right to be there, but enough evidence (closing speed as he disappears from Emilio's mirror) to suggest that he might have.

If a lower court in NASA's hierarchy found either of them at fault, I don't think I could overturn it.

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Old 09-24-2013, 04:03 PM   #106
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As I review Emilio's video, I can't tell how far the Mini got up on Emilio. Would a Mini front fender be visible through the driver's window at that angle? Dunno. No clear evidence he ever got far enough up to have the right to be there, but enough evidence (closing speed as he disappears from Emilio's mirror) to suggest that he might have.
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The Mini's driver side headlight is visible in my rearview mirror at the moment of impact. At that instant, there is slightly over one car width between my car and the track edge. Freeze frame from the mini's video (which was taken down) clearly shows the tops of the cones at track edge over the drivers side of the mini's hood.

He had room, panicked, moved his steering wheel 80 right 50-100ms before impact (seen in his video) at the same time that I steer about 40 right (seen in my video).

Like I said, played at full sped and not watching the mini's steering input (hands in shadow) it looks like he goes straight and I turn left. Watched more closely and you see the opposite.
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... I might have run a NASA event before becoming aware of the rule, but now I don't know if I can trust them to administer safe races.

#2 - Someone defended the rule by saying you intend to leave a car width but misjudged and only left 3/4, and that should be okay so leave the rule at 3/4. Bullshit. If the rule says 3/4, most people are going to leave 3/4 and that isn't smart or safe. If you shoot for a legal 1 car width and goof, take your penalty and calculate better next time.
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Lol. In my experience it's never been an issue on track. NASA runs some pretty safe racing. If you're not comfortable side by side with another car, you should probably just run open lapping days.

People I race with leave 1 full width, not 3/4. Also, technically curbing doesn't count in the 3/4 width rule, so if a car leaves 3/4 width from the apex curbing or the exit curbing, the car on the edge will typically still have all 4 wheels on either asphalt or curbing.
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for those running the sm6 on 9" wheels what pressures are you running?
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for those running the sm6 on 9" wheels what pressures are you running?
Usually between 20 and 50
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Lol. In my experience it's never been an issue on track. NASA runs some pretty safe racing. If you're not comfortable side by side with another car, you should probably just run open lapping days.
He's not uncomfortable with close racing. He's uncomfortable when the rules say the other guy can legally put you two off. The 3/4 rule has never made sense to me either.
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Lol. In my experience it's never been an issue on track. NASA runs some pretty safe racing. If you're not comfortable side by side with another car, you should probably just run open lapping days.

People I race with leave 1 full width, not 3/4. Also, technically curbing doesn't count in the 3/4 width rule, so if a car leaves 3/4 width from the apex curbing or the exit curbing, the car on the edge will typically still have all 4 wheels on either asphalt or curbing.
I've run through 3 to 4 consecutive corners with no more than 18" (and most of the time just 4 to 6") between myself and a competitor many times in the process of making or attempting to defend a pass. Several of those sequences were in a formula car with the opportunity of overlapping wheels and getting launched. None of those instances was in a car with doors or a cage.

So you can use any curb you've encountered without upsetting your car? And every class that runs NASA can do the same? Those are the only conditions under which it makes any kind of sense to say 3/4 width is okay because there are curbs.

Your NASA experience has been fine. Good for you. Don't confuse that with what is allowed per the rules. How would you feel about being put 1/4 off while trying an outside pass on one of the highspeed corners on the big track at Willow Springs? "That would never happen" isn't a viable retort.

The first requirement of the rule book should be to define safe behavior on the race track.
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