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Old 10-06-2014, 12:20 PM
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Default Idle valve Idea for JRSC m45 kits

The long hose running from the IAC -> check valve -> intake elbow
also you think about the vaccum from the supercharger in the intake elbow were the iac valve line is tapped in
kind of a lot the Idle valve has to overcome
When we deccel we get a droop in idle, some of us almost to stall out

When i look at my data logs, the Duty cycle of the idle valve is "twitching" from open to close in idle.
Really not 100% if this is the soul reason why, but it could be possibly or at least contributing to it.
Either way, The long hose just plain gets on my nerves, its wedged in between my headlight housing and scrunched over my brake lines

My idea is to just delete the line, put a check valve directly on the Idle valve port and then a small filter
so it cant leak boost, or breath in dirty/contaminated air



Here is a stupid little picture I drew, you see the current set-up and then what I think i might try
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Did this work / help with idle droop?
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I never had a chance to try it.
But...i posted the same thread on miata.net and found that this would only slightly help the iac valve recover, compared to just doing a dual throttle set-up.
The reason the iac fails at hard deccel with an m45 is because the valve opens back up while there is still boost, which throws it off.
When you do a dual throttle mod or a mp62 remote mount iac, you get the iac to never see boost. Thats how you fix it. And the plan that i presented still does help, and free up a little bit of room/complexity
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Originally Posted by lexintexan View Post
Did this work / help with idle droop?


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zack. I just picked up an m45 sc kit for a 96 miata. It seems complete except it is missing the IAC Check valve and the short hose end. Any idea how I locate these missing items?
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an MS3 with a few minutes tuning the idle control would work better.
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I have no idea what an ms3 is....
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Originally Posted by DonPlatt View Post
zack. I just picked up an m45 sc kit for a 96 miata. It seems complete except it is missing the IAC Check valve and the short hose end. Any idea how I locate these missing items?
Call TDR.
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TDR sells them.

The dual throttle body solves the idle problems of the stock JRSC, and creates a bunch of new fun challenges.

The solution posted earlier here screws the air flow meter up.
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Originally Posted by Ted75zcar View Post
The solution posted earlier here screws the air flow meter up.
Only if you're running the stock ECU & a piggyback/bandaids.
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Originally Posted by richyvrlimited View Post
Only if you're running the stock ECU & a piggyback/bandaids.
True. Or more correctly, if you aren't running speed density or alpha-n.
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I'm in the process of prepping my 1.8 for mounting the M45 supercharger. New timing belt & waterpump. I was thinking about mounting the voodoo box for fuel management & MSD prior to doing the SC. What's the consensus?
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I would agree with the approach. You may even go one step further and do the fuel management first, timing second, SC third. That way you can hopefully isolate issues that pop up. I am not familiar with the voodoo, but if you are running tan tops at stock rail pressure on a 1.8, you will run over 80% duty cycle pretty quickly. You may want to run an aftermarket fuel pressure regulator and pressure gauge to boost your pressure. Definitely check the fuel pressure even with the stock regulator. You will certainly want wideband.

Does your SC kit have any boost upgrades?
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you mispelled that.

voodoo box + MSD is spelled: DIYPNP
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Ha Brain, baby steps man. He will come around as the aspirations mature. Full standalone is intimidating at first.
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no it's not.
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I'm running stock pulleys on the SC. I will start the work on voodoo first. Do you really think I'll need a fuel pressure setup. I will buy a boost gauge, but only after everything is up and running
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Do you have a wideband? What altitude are you at?
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And it is a fuel pressure gauge, not a boost gauge

An m45 on a 1.8 is not going to boost much more than about 4 psi. If you are at sea level you will need to supply ~30% more fuel than stock to run at 12.5 A/F. I have seen stock tan tops get wiggy after extended 90% + duty cycles, this was on a 1.6 @ ~ 7.5 psi, afr 12.1, 3 bar fuel pressure ( manifold referenced)

If you were in Denver (like me) it is only a <20% increase in duty cycle.

I would really recommend corky bell's book "supercharged" if you don't already have it. It will help you to understand the basics of fueling among other things. I have seen them used on Amazon for really cheap. It was the first book I bought when I got started, and I couldn't put it down.
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I'm located in pennsylvania, close to sea level. So you're suggesting I replace the tan top?get a aftermarket fuel pressure regulator and fuel pressure/air mix gage?
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