What's wrong with superchargers?
08-06-2012, 10:06 PM
#84
Nah jokes aside the 2554 is as predictable as you can get... maybe if you want to go more go with a 22 or some kind but either way you wont be getting kicked in the *** by it like you would at 4k rpm with a 2860 or something. Benefit is if you still cant control it you can lower the boost easily.
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08-06-2012, 10:45 PM
#87
You seem like you're serious, so I'll be serious with you: everything you just said is wrong for the most part. part throttle boost onset isn't some crazy rush of torque that would send you off a cliff. You should actually drive a car with a turbo before making assumptions like that and listening to idiotic ramblings of m.net wine and cheezer pansies.
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08-07-2012, 07:30 AM
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We drove like crap on Saturday and had one minor mechanical glitch at Peru. But my co driver was able to be the fastest car in the SSM field at the peru tour on Sunday. That was with Mike "Jr" Johnson, Carter Thompson, Brian Johns and Dan Chadwick there. I think we might be on to something with this whole "Miata has a chance in SSM" thing.
Here is my fastest run from Sunday. The camera died before Randall's
Here is my fastest run from Sunday. The camera died before Randall's
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08-08-2012, 03:25 PM
#91
He kind of has some points, with poorly setup cars. I've auto-x'ed two turbo cars that seem to follow the stereotype the op is having; one was an evo with a 20g and the other was a 1g dsm with a sleeper 16g and a messed up waste gate actuator. Both hit like a ton of bricks at 4k rpm, both were dog miata slow till the boost hit all at once. Both were either poorly setup and/or were having issues. Neither would have been an issue if their gearing worked better for the course that day. Drove the evo on a course where I was topping out the miata at 7660 rpm in 1st, and the dsm would do like 80 something in 2nd. Well setup turbo cars dont have issues like that until you get to real track monster or dyno queen setups.
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08-08-2012, 04:51 PM
#92
Alright, you seem to think like there is the turbo master race and the SC peasants. Fine with me (as a PC gamer I am part of the PC Master Race and therefore look down on the dirty console peasants). Here is my question.
My previous car was a '02 Audi A6 with the 2.7 Bi-turbo v6 (same one as the S4). That thing lagged like a ----------er. You didn't have *anything* before 3500rpm.
Because of this, I was going to go with an FFS since I had an Eaton on my old Grand Prix GTP that I had before the Audi, and I loved that car.
But if you guys think I could get the same responsiveness and power out of a turbo, I am all ears. Where is the best place to get started reading about them (besides this thread obviously)?
My previous car was a '02 Audi A6 with the 2.7 Bi-turbo v6 (same one as the S4). That thing lagged like a ----------er. You didn't have *anything* before 3500rpm.
Because of this, I was going to go with an FFS since I had an Eaton on my old Grand Prix GTP that I had before the Audi, and I loved that car.
But if you guys think I could get the same responsiveness and power out of a turbo, I am all ears. Where is the best place to get started reading about them (besides this thread obviously)?
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08-08-2012, 05:56 PM
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so a question for you gentlemen and something ive been thinking a whole lot myself.
so it seems that most everyone here is for the turbo charger and a few others defend the super charger but here is my situation that ive been thinking alot about recently:
so i want a forced induction system on my miata (1990) i love the handling of the car but when you are getting past by minivans, its time for more power so recently i have found the greatest road known to man
i am not a dragster kind of guy, i love turns, and i love corners. and my favorite past time is to take my miata to the mountain roads near my home and just take those corners as fast as possible. upon driving this amazing road i have found it dawned on me... if i was to have a turbo charger, being a guy of limited driving skill, i dont think i would be able to handle the power, sorry, the sudden onset of power that the turbo would create. because turbo's work off of the exhaust gases as we know, there is a certain amount of lag before a turbo spins fast enough to create positive displacement, know no matter how quick or low in the rpm range this response happens, it is still there, which means when power sets in, it surges in, and if i am taking a corner, the last thing i need is a surge of power to offset the balance of the car.
so in my opinion, i think most people who purchase a super charger are looking for what im looking for, power that is instant, and more important, linear. we may not be worried about overall power (at least in my opinion) but rather the knowledge that my power isn't going to be all over the place when i mash the gas.
well sorry for the speech i just wanted to give that point of view, thanks for listening
so it seems that most everyone here is for the turbo charger and a few others defend the super charger but here is my situation that ive been thinking alot about recently:
so i want a forced induction system on my miata (1990) i love the handling of the car but when you are getting past by minivans, its time for more power so recently i have found the greatest road known to man
i am not a dragster kind of guy, i love turns, and i love corners. and my favorite past time is to take my miata to the mountain roads near my home and just take those corners as fast as possible. upon driving this amazing road i have found it dawned on me... if i was to have a turbo charger, being a guy of limited driving skill, i dont think i would be able to handle the power, sorry, the sudden onset of power that the turbo would create. because turbo's work off of the exhaust gases as we know, there is a certain amount of lag before a turbo spins fast enough to create positive displacement, know no matter how quick or low in the rpm range this response happens, it is still there, which means when power sets in, it surges in, and if i am taking a corner, the last thing i need is a surge of power to offset the balance of the car.so in my opinion, i think most people who purchase a super charger are looking for what im looking for, power that is instant, and more important, linear. we may not be worried about overall power (at least in my opinion) but rather the knowledge that my power isn't going to be all over the place when i mash the gas.
well sorry for the speech i just wanted to give that point of view, thanks for listening
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08-09-2012, 01:16 AM
#94
Alright, you seem to think like there is the turbo master race and the SC peasants. Fine with me (as a PC gamer I am part of the PC Master Race and therefore look down on the dirty console peasants). Here is my question.
My previous car was a '02 Audi A6 with the 2.7 Bi-turbo v6 (same one as the S4). That thing lagged like a ----------er. You didn't have *anything* before 3500rpm.
Because of this, I was going to go with an FFS since I had an Eaton on my old Grand Prix GTP that I had before the Audi, and I loved that car.
But if you guys think I could get the same responsiveness and power out of a turbo, I am all ears. Where is the best place to get started reading about them (besides this thread obviously)?
My previous car was a '02 Audi A6 with the 2.7 Bi-turbo v6 (same one as the S4). That thing lagged like a ----------er. You didn't have *anything* before 3500rpm.
Because of this, I was going to go with an FFS since I had an Eaton on my old Grand Prix GTP that I had before the Audi, and I loved that car.
But if you guys think I could get the same responsiveness and power out of a turbo, I am all ears. Where is the best place to get started reading about them (besides this thread obviously)?
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09-30-2012, 09:56 PM
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On a 1.8 with the only internal upgrade being rods, I'd be impressed to see a turbo set up perform better in an autocross. Yes, a turbo is superior in drag racing and road racing, but there IS a reason to supercharge a miata. Linear boost means linear power. Linear power means controlable power. Controlable power means faster times.
I went conservative with the 10% increase to the dynojet numbers. Many would say 15%. You can see the power - especially the torque - starts to fall off. We had a little belt slippage which is now corrected, but I believe most of the problem is cams. A little more static compression and some cams should do wonders.
On a 1.8 with the only internal upgrade being rods, I'd be impressed to see a turbo set up perform better in an autocross. Yes, a turbo is superior in drag racing and road racing, but there IS a reason to supercharge a miata. Linear boost means linear power. Linear power means controlable power. Controlable power means faster times.
I went conservative with the 10% increase to the dynojet numbers. Many would say 15%. You can see the power - especially the torque - starts to fall off. We had a little belt slippage which is now corrected, but I believe most of the problem is cams. A little more static compression and some cams should do wonders.
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