Originally Posted by adamiata
(Post 1075287)
An honest question:
Why would someone want these (with adjustable ride height and fixed damping), versus something like FM springs with adjustable Tokicos and fixed perches, or Ground Controls and Bilsteins? I may be looking to replace my 10 year old FM/AGX setup next summer. How often do you adjust the damping on your AGX setup? Do you have any idea what each click of the knob does to the damping? You'd probably be surpised. I would MUCH rather have non-adjustable dampers with quality curves/response versus one with mediocre curves/response that you can make... different... by turning a knob. I say "different," because it might not be "better." I would argue that most people grossly overestimate the value of adjustment knobs on low-end (sub-$2k) setups. |
Originally Posted by thenuge26
(Post 1075345)
Googled "techna"
Seeing the image results, I think you picked the perfect name for Miataturbo. It's not a pony but nobody's perfect ;) Twin Tube Economy Comfort Non Adjustable Liked the way it sounded but still wasn't sure. Did google search, clicked images tab. Win. |
Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
(Post 1075368)
This kit appears to come complete as a bolt-in affair, including bump stops and top hats, that are all designed from the ground up to be an integrated setup. You get dampers, springs, and bump stops all designed to work together and engineered by people that (A) certainly seem to know about suspension setups and (B) certainly seem to know about suspension setups on Miatas.
How often do you adjust the damping on your AGX setup? Do you have any idea what each click of the knob does to the damping? You'd probably be surpised. I would MUCH rather have non-adjustable dampers with quality curves/response versus one with mediocre curves/response that you can make... different... by turning a knob. I say "different," because it might not be "better." I would argue that most people grossly overestimate the value of adjustment knobs on low-end (sub-$2k) setups. With the AGX's I adjusted the knob (whatever that's really doing) until the suspension didn't oscillate over bumps anymore. That's how I settled on my street settings. For autocross I tended to run them stiffer, with the back a couple clicks softer than the front based on run times and how the car felt. The car was off the road for a few years and coming back to it I realize how shitty the ride is and how moderate mid-corner bumps upset it. I'm sure a lot of this is due to a lack of suspension travel in the back, which is why this 949 setup is interesting. |
Originally Posted by adamiata
(Post 1075396)
I guess I assumed that with adjustable damping one of the settings would be a good match for the springs, but I'm learning that it's more complicated than that. I can imagine adjusting the damping more often than the ride height, for street versus autocross. In any case, I just bought what was cheap from FM 10 years ago because I didn't really know much about suspension. I still don't know a lot but I'm trying to educate myself.
Autocross to Win (DGs Autocross Secrets) - Buying Shocks I would much rather have good dampers that I don't futz with and height-adjustability to corner-weight the car vs a static ride height via springs designed for stock dampers and questionable dampers designed for stock springs that I can "adjust." What I ended up with was a compromised spring rate, damper, and bumpstop combination that were allegedly designed to run together. I would have a lot more faith that the SuperMiata Tecna combo would actually accomplish that mission in a Miata-specific application. What I will probably end up doing is getting Xidas, because I like to party. :party: |
Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
(Post 1075368)
I would argue that most people grossly overestimate the value of adjustment knobs on low-end (sub-$2k) setups.
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Thank you Emilio, this is exactly what I'm in the market for. I've been eyeing others that will soon be your competitors in this market segment, but felt some hesitation regarding ride quality/respectable performance. I've got much more confidence in a similar product you've personally developed. In for future details and data.
Can't wait until spring (pun intended)! |
These sound great! I definitely know what to recommend to ppl when they ask me what suspension they should get for their miata(after refusing the Xida's price-tag).
Question... why twin-tube over monotube? Was it a manufacturing price-point on the monos that threw it out of budget? |
Originally Posted by flier129
(Post 1075444)
These sound great! I definitely know what to recommend to ppl when they ask me what suspension they should get for their miata(after refusing the Xida's price-tag).
Question... why twin-tube over monotube? Was it a manufacturing price-point on the monos that threw it out of budget? So going with a twin tube is the right tool for the job in our case. |
Totally selling my shitty coilovers to someone on clubroadster and buying these.
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1075447)
Cost primarily. When production engineered to a lower price point, it's also easier to get twin tube valving to behave well over low amplitude, high velocity inputs. To do that with a monotube requires more sophistication, more expensive materials and cost. This is one reason why so many low cost monotubes are OK on big hits but have only so-so ride quality of ripply pavement.
So going with a twin tube is the right tool for the job in our case. |
You've got my attention. How will these ride down dirt roads? I live down a pretty long one and HATE the way my kyb's feel on it. Makes my car rattle apart.
Where I live the roads in town suck, but we still have smooth canyons. It sounds like these might just be perfect for me. |
Originally Posted by curly
(Post 1075300)
Ha!
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Josh doesn't know shit about suspension mike :P interesting new option for simple coilovers curious to see how they stack up to bilstein a with sleeves
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Originally Posted by Fireindc
(Post 1075502)
How will these ride down dirt roads? I live down a pretty long one and HATE the way my kyb's feel on it. Makes my car rattle apart.
"How will these budget-oriented coilovers handle light duty off-roading in my Miata?" :rofl: |
Oh how I wish I would have stuck to my original plan on upgrading suspension March of next year instead of buying Vmaxx's and swaybars a few weeks ago...
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Interesting, these sound exactly like the perfect setup for my dad's miata. But they're too rich for his blood, maybe I'll buy them for him for christmas next year or something. Or if I happened across a set earlier they could become my new go to recommendation for under $2000 shocks. God knows how many local people who've bought VMaxx because of me.
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Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
(Post 1075551)
Other than taking an educated guess, why would he possibly know the answer to that question?
"How will these budget-oriented coilovers handle light duty off-roading in my Miata?" :rofl: Assuming at a reasonable ride height they should ride decently down a dirt road at mild speeds isn't out of the question. In addition to ride quality, I'm curious on how they will hold up after daily dirt road driving as well. |
Originally Posted by Fireindc
(Post 1075582)
Meh, he stated they are being designed for comfort and DD duties in mind. For me DD requires about a mile of dirt road driving each time I take out the car. While the road is dirt, it's nowhere near "light duty off-roading"
Assuming at a reasonable ride height they should ride decently down a dirt road at mild speeds isn't out of the question. |
Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1075571)
Interesting, these sound exactly like the perfect setup for my dad's miata. But they're too rich for his blood, maybe I'll buy them for him for christmas next year or something.
I know I paid a bit less for my Tein Basics + NB mounts but that was in large part because I used to work in the industry and still get some pretty significant hookups from some shops. I don't think they'd be much (if any) cheaper at regular retail. V-Maxx are in the same ballpark. Spring and damper setups like the FM Stage 1 suspension kit are as (or more expensive). I guess you have Racelands and the like, but I never cross-shopped those. Or are you just saying your dad likely won't buy any suspension because of the cost? |
Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
(Post 1075585)
How much cheaper does it get for a complete setup with dampers, springs, bumpstops, and upper mounts? That's an honest question. Or are you just saying your dad likely won't buy any suspension because of the cost?
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