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Old 01-14-2014, 10:08 PM   #141
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In my limited understanding of suspension, the shocks need to be valved to match the grip level of the tires, correct? If so, what kind of tires has the testing been done with and what class of tires will be ideal to run with these? I currently run 205/50 RE11's on 15x8 Enkei PF01's, for instance.
Daily driver beater tires. 185/60/14 BFG rim protector specials on 14x6's. Did I happen to mention these aren't race shocks? Just checking.
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Daily driver beater tires. 185/60/14 BFG rim protector specials on 14x6's. Did I happen to mention these aren't race shocks? Just checking.
Yes you definitely said that. But you also said this:

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This assumes the coilover systems lacks bump travel, which it does not in this case. We're actually including bump travel limiters for those users that run 225/45's on 9's. The tecna are designed around the factory NB hat. We even have our own steel NB mount clone on standby if Mazda discontinues or raises the price on the factory NB mount.
For users running 225/45's on 9's. Have you tested these with that wheel & tire combo? Which tires did you use? Would you recommend that meaty of fitment for something running on these shocks?
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Daily driver beater tires. 185/60/14 BFG rim protector specials on 14x6's. Did I happen to mention these aren't race shocks? Just checking.
You might need to change your company name to "949 Daily Driver" for people to finally understand everything you sell isn't racecar
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Yes you definitely said that. But you also said this:

For users running 225/45's on 9's. Have you tested these with that wheel & tire combo? Which tires did you use? Would you recommend that meaty of fitment for something running on these shocks?
I knew this would be a problem as sterVin pointed out.

You can run whatever tire suits your fancy with these non-race shocks. As mentioned a few times here and elsewhere, yes we tested function and fitment with big tires. That is why we will include travel limiters for them.

We're not recommending any particular wheel/tire combo because there is no goal here. Not being optimized for lap times or grip. Folks just want to lower the car a little, have it ride nice and not cost a lot. Most people that choose tecnas run whatever tire was cheapest on tires-are-us.com that day. Some will have 225 Rival on 9's with giant sway bars. Those cars won't ride as nice as the cars on rim protector specials, but they'll handle better.

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man, I would hope its somewhat self selecting in that people who run 225 Rivals on 15x9s would be more inclided to get the Xidas or Teins or something instead of the Technas...
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so what you guys are saying is I can have a stainless steel tubed xida for 700?

I'm in

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All I know is that I don't like the FM Vmaxxs, but I won't buy these if they aren't superior. I don't think running rims and summer tires is so radical that I need XIDA's for my daily 40 mile commute. Nor do I expect these to be worse than the Vmaxxs were on track. Hence my earlier question.
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Why can't I have Xida grip and comfort and not spend Xida money?
I just want to be able to run 225's, ride decent, and be able to autoX/play on twisties. $2500 Xida's is a bit pricey for that. If these let me do that I'm in. Not asking for crazy race grip, just good to drive.
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I expect these will be better than the Tein Basis.
I am not expecting them to be as good as the Tein Flex.
Hoping they are Tein SA territory at a lower price point, and without the adjustability.
A budget coilover for cars that 90% daily and 10% HPDE.

Any chance on selling some prototype/pre-production units?
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Why can't I have Xida grip and comfort and not spend Xida money?
I just want to be able to run 225's, ride decent, and be able to autoX/play on twisties. $2500 Xida's is a bit pricey for that. If these let me do that I'm in. Not asking for crazy race grip, just good to drive.

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All I know is that I don't like the FM Vmaxxs, but I won't buy these if they aren't superior. I don't think running rims and summer tires is so radical that I need XIDA's for my daily 40 mile commute. Nor do I expect these to be worse than the Vmaxxs were on track. Hence my earlier question.
The problem, as I am discovering, is that the word "coilover" means "race" or "high performance" to most car enthusiasts. Think of the tecna as better riding OEM replacement shocks that can be lowered.

Neither of you are the target tecna customer. You're both asking, or stating the requirement that, they work when you hit the track or autocross with tire capable of generating 1.2g grip. They will do that, just not exceptionally well having only 6/4kg springs.

You would both be much happier with Tein Advances with optional 9kg front springs and NB mounts. We offer that kit for about $1100 shipped. 550/350 or 700/400 Xidas are the ideal kit for both of you but I understand not wanting to budget that for coilovers.

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Neither of you are the target tecna customer. You're both asking, or stating the requirement that, they work when you hit the track or autocross with tire capable of generating 1.2g grip. They will do that, just not exceptionally well having only 6/4kg springs.
Does your opinion change at all if the "Miata" weighs 1450 lbs wet, sans driver?
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Does your opinion change at all if the "Miata" weighs 1450 lbs wet, sans driver?
Dunno. They will have a higher perfornance level on a car that light.
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Does your opinion change at all if the "Miata" weighs 1450 lbs wet, sans driver?
I think Warren at Exocet has stated his calc's put the ideal "track" spring rate at the low end of what the XIDA likes, IE 550/375ish.
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I think Warren at Exocet has stated his calc's put the ideal "track" spring rate at the low end of what the XIDA likes, IE 550/375ish.
?. Not sure where you came up with the acceptable spring rate range for Xidas. Xidas are perfectly happy with stock 150/100 spring rates.

Ideal track rates for that platform (Exocet) will vary depending on grip produced by the wheel/tire combo, ride height and sway bar combos.
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?. Not sure where you came up with the acceptable spring rate range for Xidas. Xidas are perfectly happy with stock 150/100 spring rates.

Ideal track rates for that platform (Exocet) will vary depending on grip produced by the wheel/tire combo, ride height and sway bar combos.
From the specs you post on your web site regarding the "damping sweep."

Xida Club Sport race coilovers Miata

"Damping sweep for front 1000~450 springs, rear 600~250"
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From the specs you post on your web site regarding the "damping sweep."

Xida Club Sport race coilovers Miata

"Damping sweep for front 1000~450 springs, rear 600~250"
Yah. I suppose that sounds like they work with lighter springs, sorry. It's more just that I couldn't picture anyone wanting to go softer so publishing 150/100 would just confuse people.
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Any update on a release for these?
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Any update on a release for these?
I've already got a set. Try going to their website.
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I've been testing them for months now.
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