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Old 10-29-2009, 05:01 AM   #21
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on my stocker, daisy wheels ive got 912 on there... its OK, not the best. if i were to get summer performance tire, as mentioned above id go for 615, but TIRE is not cheap here in canada, having tires shipped from tirerack to lettercarrier or point roberts and picking it up is still way cheaper than buying them locally here in vancouver,bc.

on my current car... I really was being a ***** and went for cheapo tires my buddy hooked me up with through his shop. paid 50 bucks each for uhh SUmo akina or some bullshit. would not recommend it to anyone
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In 14", I was never turboed but tracked 195 falken 512's and did A LOT of driving in the rain, never had a problem and they were great in the rain. I think GRM did a cheap performance tire review and liked them the best for sub $60 tires. Test was on a miata.
Good deal. Those are in stock at the local Discount. The 912s are supposed to be better...but I'd have to order them and shipping would eat my lunch. It's good to hear from a 512 owner that doesn't think I need Azenis.


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I don't think you're going to waste your money if you use a cheaper set of 14" tires till the end of their life, as long as you:
A. Learn to drive.
B. Drive safer/smarter than you do now.

You'll have less traction obviously, but find the limit, stay below it, and you'll still have fun. Otherwise anyone who tracked their cars who weren't on 245 r-comps wouldn't ever have fun. Which is everyone.

Good advice. Currently my traction is different in all conditions due to mismatched tires with varying degrees of camber wear...tread wear...and heat cycling. These came with the $50 daisies I bought when I picked up my replacement motor and I put them on last spring in order to sell the BBS wheels.

I was supposed to use that money for 15x7s...but the wifey never actually gave the green light on the tire side so I just kept driving these. They are getting worse quickly...with the right rear nearly bald. Everytime I think I know where the limits are I find they are changing. This is why I want a new matching set of tires.


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Just DONT spin around at 70 in the rain. Or in the dry. I don't care how bald your tires are and how wet it is, drive within your limits and and the cars limit.
Very dumb on my part. I was feeling particularly self-destructive that day after getting a 37 back on my first Heat Transfer exam (maybe I shouldn't do my coolant reroute). On top of everything it started raining hard...I felt like I was in a damn Hemingway novel. Let's just say that looking out the back of the car through the rollbar at oncoming traffic with a 140mph relative speed was a little bit of a wake-up call.
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Old 10-29-2009, 11:43 AM   #23
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Here is some info I got from Jeff, who heads our local forum. He's been through a few sets of the Azenis...and speaks very highly of them on m.net. Here is his reply to me though regarding my specific usage:

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Hello Damon,

Hey, a Begi kit! Very cool, you should stop by the club sometime!

I will admit to being a bit biased towards the Azenis due to my former autocross exploits, there just wasn't anything else in the 14" size for a street tire that would grip very well out on the sealed asphalt lot at Gulf Greyhound Park... However, what worked best at GGP, wasn't always the best on the street.

My mileage always varied, one set I only got 8,000 miles out of, another set I saw as much as 18,000, but that set was worn down to slicks.
My usual average mileage was 12,000 miles or so to a set with autocross every month, but the tire was usually heat cycled to death around the 6 to 8,000 mile mark.

One of my big issues with the Azenis is that for as good of a autocross tire as it was, it was a HORRIBLE street tire.
All-out grip was great, but it was always nervous and twitchy at the limit of adhesion, and could snap on you at a moment's notice, so you had to be ready with the opposite lock.

For a slightly longer lasting summer tire with only slightly less performance then the Azenis but with more gradual break-away and easier to live with on a daily basis, I would look into the Hankook RS2s.

For less all-out grip but even better predictability, much better wet weather performance, longer tread life and a much better ride, I highly recommend the Toyo T1-R in the 195/55/14 size.

Something I should point out, since we've finally started entering the colder weather months here in Houston, NONE of the above tires are going to function very well at sub 50 degree weather.
The Azenis is actually the less scary tire of the three in cold weather in my opinion, if the roads are wet use extreme caution.


I hope he doesn't mind me posting this...but it's the most info I've found in one place...and wanted to share it for posterity.


I'm pretty sure the 512/912 Ziex is going to be the compromise I have to make.
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Well thank you for not taking offense, it was a slighly rude story. I'm glad you have a decent story behind the 70mph spin, instead of just "I drive like an *** lol". Uneven bald tires suck. I think you'll like the 512's. I think my dad got 40,000 miles out of our first set when he still owned the car, I barely got 20,000 out of the 2nd once I bought it from him, so the way you drive has a lot to do with tire wear, obviously. That 20000 mile set had a track day or two I believe.
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Ugh.

I hated the T1-R as a street tire. Yes, as Jeff notes, they are "highly predictable." If you apply throttle, they spin. If you depress the brake pedal, they skid. If you turn the steering wheel, they slide. If you do any two of these three at the same time, your rear bumper automatically seeks out the nearest tree.

I removed mine with probably 75% tread still remaining and never regretted it.

Saying that a tire is "predictable" is like saying that a patient in the hospital is "stable." People who are dead are in stable condition.


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Go buy a can of spray-on rubber truck bed liner, remove the old tires, and apply that stuff directly onto the wheels. Costs less than a set of 912s, and provides about the same amount of grip. Slightly harsher ride, maybe.

Just because something is cheap does not make it a good deal.
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Ugh.

I hated the T1-R as a street tire. Yes, as Jeff notes, they are "highly predictable." If you apply throttle, they spin. If you depress the brake pedal, they skid. If you turn the steering wheel, they slide. If you do any two of these three at the same time, your rear bumper automatically seeks out the nearest tree.

I removed mine with probably 75% tread still remaining and never regretted it.

Saying that a tire is "predictable" is like saying that a patient in the hospital is "stable." People who are dead are in stable condition.


Go buy a can of spray-on rubber truck bed liner, remove the old tires, and apply that stuff directly onto the wheels. Costs less than a set of 912s, and provides about the same amount of grip. Slightly harsher ride, maybe.

Just because something is cheap does not make it a good deal.
i like my t1-rs a lot, they are giving up a lot dry cornering grip to the azenis, but are about a bajillion times better in the wet. they are also quieter and a smoother. and now that i pretty much use the car to go back and forth to work they are a great compromise for me. the issues you had with yours i don't understand either i've done several "oh ****" panic stops and they stopped me in a hurry. and i'd estimate i've got probably around 260whp they won't spin once in second on a warm dry day.
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Jesus Joe, you don't like a reputable summer only tire, or a reputable aggressive all season, what space age tire do you use? No experience with the t1r but like I said I tracked 512's and did a lot of aggressive wet&dry driving and loved them, their price only sweetened the deal. Would I spend more if I had a higher budget? Yes, but with only a $200 budget I'd be satisfied with the 512s
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Well thank you for not taking offense, it was a slighly rude story. I'm glad you have a decent story behind the 70mph spin, instead of just "I drive like an *** lol".
I was actually trying to catch up with the moving roadblock (two SUVs side by side) that was about 50yds ahead of me and blocking me from view of the new Camaro I caught a glimpse of (left turn) that I just knew would try to pull out behind the vehicles ahead.

Riding a bike taught me to avoid those kind of situations. I gave it a little more throttle than was prudent...and got a little less traction back than I had hoped for.

Doesn't mean I wasn't driving like an *******...drifting through the rain just above the speed limit. You'd have thought I learned from wrecking my wife's car...but I've been making a rash of poor decisions recently.

EDIT: Also...it's good to hear the 512s are good in the rain. I've been catching a lot of it recently...and ride nothing but curvy roads with lots of elevation changes. Great Miata terrain...but not good when you have very little confidence in your rubber (that's how *accidents happen).
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Ugh.

I hated the T1-R as a street tire. Yes, as Jeff notes, they are "highly predictable." If you apply throttle, they spin. If you depress the brake pedal, they skid. If you turn the steering wheel, they slide. If you do any two of these three at the same time, your rear bumper automatically seeks out the nearest tree.

I removed mine with probably 75% tread still remaining and never regretted it.

Saying that a tire is "predictable" is like saying that a patient in the hospital is "stable." People who are dead are in stable condition.


Go buy a can of spray-on rubber truck bed liner, remove the old tires, and apply that stuff directly onto the wheels. Costs less than a set of 912s, and provides about the same amount of grip. Slightly harsher ride, maybe.

Just because something is cheap does not make it a good deal.
As always an entertaining review from ya Joe...but you're making talking myself out of $350 worth of tires that might last me 3 seasons a little harder.
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this a little extreme but if you really want the best out of your 14's nitto makes the nt01 in a 205 55 14 you won't get much life and they suck in the rain but when it's dry and warm they are great.
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Well...it looks like I may be able to upgrade to 15" after all.

Honestly this HAS to be the best route. I've been checking CL constantly for months...and missed a few deals. Another good one came along and I'm going to take the plunge even if the rubber isn't perfect. My reasoning is that next time I have to replace tires I'll have much more in the way of choices.

I found a set of Voxx MG 15x7s with Dunlop Direzza DZ101s at 80% treadlife for a little less than what it would cost to order Azenis in 185/60R14. The Dunlops are 205/50-15s which will be perfect.

Finally...a chance to upgrade after weeks of overpriced crap. This is good as I only sold my beloved BBS wheels under the promise that I'd never buy 14" tires again anyway. I think a 205 tire will help a LOT in the traction department.
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Nice! Congratulations. I checked craiglook a few times today but didn't spot anything...glad you found a good deal.
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Nice! Congratulations. I checked craiglook a few times today but didn't spot anything...glad you found a good deal.
Yeah...waiting to hear back from the guy. He said someone else is coming tonight...and I have an exam in two hours.

If I miss out I'm just buying cheap tires and saving up until next season.

Trying to get real traction in a 14" tire is a pointless endeavor. 6ULs or bust.
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I went and looked at the CL setup:

The wheels were nice..but very heavy. Had to be a 16lb knockoff.

The tires were nice...but down to around 4/32...which probably wouldn't get me through winter. I would rather have Star Specs if I'm running Dunlop anyways.

I'm just gonna save up for 6ULs and stop being an idiot.
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That's the way to go. I'm running out of traction in my 225/50 RS2s on 6ULs, can't imagine trying to put it down on 14s.
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