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Old 04-09-2015, 08:57 AM   #481
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A couple coil spring questions:

1) My plans for my DD are for stock ride height or possibly a little bit lower (probably no more than an inch), 300/200 lb/in rates. From reading the thread it sounds like 7" is the sweet spot for spring length, but I'm not sure if this only applies to folks with really high rates and/or really low cars. Would 7" springs still apply to a situation like mine?

2) What's the difference between QA1's "high travel" coil springs and their regular springs, and is there any benefit/disadvantage using the former in this application?

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1) With rates that low and a ride height up close to stock 7 or 8 inches will work. With a taller ride height greater compression travel is possible before contacting the bump stops so spring coil bind can be a concern if the springs are too short.
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QA1 High Travel springs have a lower fully compressed height (block height) than previous QA1 springs. Basically, more travel out of the same length spring. Compared to springs that aren't the cheapest you can buy from Summit, they probably still have a taller block height.
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So they're less prone to coil bind?
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Yes, you get more compression distance out of the same free length spring before coil bind. They're "High Travel" compared to previous QA1 designs, I have no doubt Eibachs or Hypercos are better in this regard.
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Finally assembled mine today, will install this weekend hopefully. They look hilariously legit, pics to follow in morning.

Only question: Helper/tender springs on top or bottom? Noticed hhammerly had his on top, didn't notice anyone else using them in this thread. At least not with pictures.
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Finally assembled mine today, will install this weekend hopefully. They look hilariously legit, pics to follow in morning.

Only question: Helper/tender springs on top or bottom? Noticed hhammerly had his on top, didn't notice anyone else using them in this thread. At least not with pictures.
As I understand it...

Helper Springs = used to maintain load on the main spring at full travel, placed at the bottom of the spring stack.

Tender Springs = are part of a dual rate spring system. The tender spring is open at normal load, and therefore it is still active, and closes at a predetermined load, are placed at the top of the spring pack.

You and I have the same Hyperco helper springs to keep the main coil seated. I have mine at the bottom.
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I don't see why there would be a difference in position based on spring rate. That said, I'd put them at the top. Once the helper/tender is inactive, it just is dead weight. It doesn't need to be dead unsprung weight.
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Hrmmm...

Well, here's a pic. I'll swap one of them the other way and see how i feel about it.

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As long as those rings in between have a shoulder to keep the springs aligned I don't really see it mattering which is on top. Do you have thrust bearings? I know the upper springs are short and wouldn't have a lot of rotation on compression, but it'd be much more frequent.
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No thrust bearings. I do have ES poly isolators installed up top, and they're fairly slippery. That's part of why i put them up there, so i wouldn't wear away anything metal on metal.
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As long as those rings in between have a shoulder to keep the springs aligned I don't really see it mattering which is on top. Do you have thrust bearings? I know the upper springs are short and wouldn't have a lot of rotation on compression, but it'd be much more frequent.
The helper springs are always in full compression unless the main coils are able to come unseated at full droop. So, there is no normal wind/unwind like in a normal coil. To speak of anyway...
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^What he said.

To clarify, i haven't set height or anything on that setup. Those perches are going to come WAY up. The circlip has been dropped, and i don't even think that setup is installable as you see it pictured. If it WAS, it'd be a new Clubroadster legend due to ride height. Those little springs will be at least half compressed or more at full droop.
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The helper springs are always in full compression unless the main coils are able to come unseated at full droop. So, there is no normal wind/unwind like in a normal coil. To speak of anyway...
If they're helper springs, I agree. If they're tender springs, they won't always be in full compression.
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If they're helper springs, I agree. If they're tender springs, they won't always be in full compression.

Ok well. They're the ones that are like... 25lb springs at most.
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I have helpers, the the rears are not fully compressed at static load to give me a more compliant dual rate setup, the rears where originally mounted on top of the main spring but were making noise as the ring that lines up he main to the helper spring was going over the top of the threaded perch so i flipped the spring so that the helper is on the bottom and that took care of the noise, i do not see a change in performance with this change.
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I don't think my setup will ever compress far enough to bring that tender slider over the sleeves, but i could see it maybe making noise as it goes past the top of the shock, depending on how low i run the car.
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I don't think my setup will ever compress far enough to bring that tender slider over the sleeves, but i could see it maybe making noise as it goes past the top of the shock, depending on how low i run the car.
I use a different coupler between the springs. That was one of the reasons I put the helpers on the bottom. At full compression it's cleared the sleeves and at full droop it's still within the sleeve length (make sense??).

Like the ones I use; Ground Control - ERS coupler, 2.50 springs (Each)
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Sure, but not sure what the coupler has to do with it?
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Sure, but not sure what the coupler has to do with it?
Sorry, misread your post to mean the coupler... My bad

Nothing here folks, move along...
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