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Old 06-25-2012, 09:58 PM   #1
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Yesterday I went to Formula D at Wall Stadium in NJ. I got a chance to talk to a few teams specifically about their suspension set-ups.

Springs 5-8 kg range
Dampers Set up for maximum grip
ARBs/Sways Stock to mild to none (Friday it rained and the track was wet during qualifying later in the day)

Adjustments: For grip and more ultimate grip.

Biased: Much more rebound than compression damping. Sounds like Autocross? Or Track. A bit of jacking is OK, a lot no.

Some teams re-check or re-build dampers after each event. Some have multiple set-ups for different tracks.

One of the teams told me that they could run any crappy track and probably grip as good as the race cars running there.

Motons, Penskes, and a few other set-ups known to us were there, but I could not find any Racelands or GodSpeed. Honestly I did not look at every car but I did not see any Teins.

Teams seem to pick the proper suspension for the track/car and do final tweaks with sways but mostly with tire pressures.

Thanks to all the Crew Chiefs that took the time out to talk to me. And congrats to JR, Dai and Chris for a job well done.

The judges sucked more than usual. They sat in their Air Conditioned room and missed a lot of the small details. New Jersey crowd knows more about drifting than the judges. They had their favorites and it showed. The commentator was pretty crappy also, making stupid comments like the ones at the Olympics. Anyway, good weather Saturday and fun watching these folks tearing up the track.

Seems that quite a bit of money and thought is going into these suspensions.

The track has a nasty transition from the banked oval to the flat infield and most top drifters figured out that the best way to take that is by having the car sideways parallel to the transition line and letting the suspension do its thing.
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Just in case you're lost, this isn't clubricer
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I'm surprised they're not running Racelands with 1000in/lb springs. Apparently there's enough money in drifting for some decent [email protected]

Regardless, when it comes to drifting:

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You may be unimpressed, but the work that goes in the engines and mechanical s is getting to be at a very high level. Components that take over 700 hp are not uncommon. Most engines are NA or supercharged V8s. I went there to mostly check out the machines.
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Lastly, the event was oversold to the point that folks could not find parking. Either way, Club Loose the local drifters, did represent well. Racing is racing IMO regardless if you gay Miata pilots Autocross, Track race, HPDE, or just hoon around the hood. Just sharing some tid-bits, but if you no like, i'll go away and you can bench race on MT.net
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Racing is racing
Racing is racing.
Drifting is figureskating.

Justin bieber and brittany spears concerts are sold out too.
Doesn't make them any less retarded and gay.

Don't get your panties in a bunch, we're not picking on you. We just don't like figure skating
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You may be unimpressed, but the work that goes in the engines and mechanical s is getting to be at a very high level. Components that take over 700 hp are not uncommon. Most engines are NA or supercharged V8s. I went there to mostly check out the machines.
It takes "very high level work" to get 700hp? That's an average street car around here.
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Racing is racing IMO regardless if you gay Miata pilots Autocross, Track race, HPDE, or just hoon around the hood.
Drifting is not racing.
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Don't get your panties in a bunch, we're not picking just on you ... we pick on everybody. We just don't like figure skating
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It takes "very high level work" to get 700hp? That's an average street car around here.
Come on. 250-350 might be average around here. I don't know anybody that frequents this board that races a 700hp miata. And essentially nobody on this board subjects their hardware to the abuse these machines see, which I believe was the point being made. It's not easy to make clutches and transmissions survive 700whp being shock-dropped into 3rd gear.

Formula D isn't racing. The figure skating comparison is accurate. As with figure skating, I dislike the subjective aspect of the judging. That being said, just because it isn't racing doesn't mean it isn't entertaining. I took my kids to Formula D when they visited Portland a few years back and they spent the rest of the summer trying to make their bicycles smoke the rear tires. Priceless.
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Drifting on forza earlier someone said a miata isnt a sports car. I chewed him up and got kicked from the game.

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I don't think OP, or the other guy are talking about 700hp miata's in the 1st place.
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This thread should include a list of events that are justified by being "oversold". I'll start small-
1. Jonestown punch party
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Oh ----, this whole time I've been setting up my dampers for least grip and trying to maintain traction.
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One of the teams told me that they could run any crappy track and probably grip as good as the race cars running there
And all the racers here could probably hit the figureskating ring and drift as good as the drifters running there.


See what I did there?
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Came into this thread.

Wondered "gee, why is everyone giving this guy a hard time?"

Had no idea what Formula D was. Assumed from the word "Formula" it was a type of auto racing.

Did some googling, learned that the D is for Drifting.

Further, learned that they give trophies for "Best Looking Car" and "Best Personal Style" (which I assume to mean whitest teeth / best hair grooming, aka the Hamster Award.)

Was unimpressed.
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D is for dingleberries
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I try to find the goodness in all things car and auto related, but I just can't get into drifting. There's absolutely nothing appealing to me about it. Zero. Nothing. I get the same emotional response when looking at a blank wall.
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Biased: Much more rebound than compression damping. Sounds like Autocross? Or Track.
Sounds like somebody setting up a car for smooth track driving only and is concerned more about feel than actual grip, and who doesn't give a care to how compliant the car is on rougher sections of pavements.

Sounds very "Koni" in their approach.
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I hope every shock has more rebound than compression.
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