concealer404

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I would heavily question if BC or FA is better than the setup being discussed in this thread. Heavily.

Takahashi_Yuuyia

Well considering the level that both of those brand go through in building their units, and the features that come standard. I'd have to say that they're indeed better then these $1,500 cookie cutter GC's. But we are all entitled to our own opinions.

I mean seriously... You're telling me you'd pay $1,500 for some KONI race shocks with fancier selves and the typical Eibach Springs?

concealer404

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Like what? Gotta be specific.

No, i wouldn't pay $1500 for some Koni Races with sleeves and springs. But you're saying that like Eibachs are bad. They're not.

I also wouldn't pay $1000 for BCs or FAs.

I also DID invest around $1500 into a setup based around some off the shelf Bilsteins. Judge me.

Takahashi_Yuuyia

Theres plenty of things that I could be "more specific" about. but is that really necessary for a general discussion thread that was asking "Do you think these are worth it?"

concealer404

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I feel that it is, because if BC/FA has a coilover option in the $1500 area that should be cross-shopped with Xidas, we should know about it. But we'd like to know why they're worth the Xidas price tag, and "Because Takahashi_Yuuyia said so" just plain isn't good enough.

Takahashi_Yuuyia

I wasn't comparing them to the Xidas I was comparing them to the GroundControl coilovers that was in the OP. My opinion on the topic since he said "discuss" was that, For the same price as you would pay for these GroundControl coilovers you could get much nicer BC or FA coils that have a more features, more adjustability, and a better warranty. I'd have to actually do the research in order to compare Xida to either BC or FA... but if you'd like me to do so and get back with you. I'm down for a little compare and contrast conversation.... Truth be told the brand that i know are out there for the $1,300-$2,000 range and seem to have expected build quality are the Xidas, BC, FA, PowerTrix, and MCA

concealer404

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What additional features do they have? How are they more adjustable?

Only one of those companies you listed appears to have done any real R&D on the Miata chassis.

turbofan

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These aren't eBay coilovers or even close -- they're superior quality than eBay coilovers.... but for the price (or close to it) there are much better products on the market.

The things you're saying about reduced travel when lowering the vehicle and such... that's actually kinda baloney. See: conversation between Mr. Meister R and Emilio on M.net.

shuiend

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I try not to push any one brand most of the time. There are a few miata parts on the market now that are hand and fist above the rest. Xida's are that when it comes to coil overs. The TSE turbo setup is my goto for anyone who wants to track their miata. Other then that most times there are a few comparable parts on the market to choose out of.

Takahashi_Yuuyia

I wasn't "Judging you" in the first place. I was simply stating my opinion based on the general information given in the thread so far. Maybe don't be so triggered? And i don't think that Eibachs are bad at all. that's what you interpreted it to mean.

We all know the work Xida has put in, so no need for info or debate in that arena. BC is a custom set-up branded company, so given that the buyer does their research and knows what to ask for there shouldnt be any issues with it. FA is also a custom set-up company so the same applies. you can also select your own spring rates, valving, add a helper spring if you wish, and they dyno each set they assemble to ensure QA and send you the dyno info so that you can see for yourself how they perform. PowerTrix is a small company that has had the miata stuff in the R&D stages for several years and are somewhat of a new-comer i'll admit, i simply included them because of their price point. As far as what features you ask? from the look of what i saw doing a quick search on the GC units, they don't appear to have dampening adjustment (might though since i didn't look to hard as of yet) preload adjustment and ride height are not independently adjustable, the top hat is a bushing and not a spherical bearing....

I didn't say "they are" just eBay coilovers. I said they resemble the build style and appear similar in quality....

And that was exactly my point.... The OP said "discuss" therefore I gave my quick tow cents which were "For the same money there are equal and/or better products available."
Im not partial to any one product because I'm currently still doing the research as to what i want to run on my own car. I was simply pointing out a few other options as to whats out there so that he could do his own research and decide what he wants to go with. Had I known that people were wanting a thesis on my opinion id have not said anything and just made my own thread after having documented data to back up my opinion... it was never a battle of "Who's opinion is better" it was simply an opinion....

Ending with. Yes we all know that Xidas are stellar performers. Yes there are plenty of options for coilovers for the Miata, My OPINION was that for $1,500 I personally wouldn't buy the GC's because I feel they are of inferior build quality. A few brands that the OP should consider looking into (other then the Xidas obviously) are BC, Fortune Auto, PowerTrix, MCA and of course there are the typical name brand stuff like TEIN, Ohlins, Bilstein, so forth and so on. Most of the debate here seems to be coming from me stating my personal view. And now I'm being asked to "justify" why that my opinion? laughable.

turbofan

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That's just it, though. the ONE thing this setup has over some other setups is that it's all very good quality components, unlike the eBay coilovers you find all over the place. Koni are proven to be good quality dampers, it's just old tech.

concealer404

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The issue isn't that you wouldn't buy Xidas or Konis. The issue is that you're presenting those Taiwan/China-based one-size-fits-all companies as a $1500 value, which puts them squarely in the realm of various suspension options that actually have had miata-specific R&D.

I don't think anyone in here is buying a $1500 Koni setup. Nobody in here is buying a $1500 BC/FA/Powertrix/Insert generic Taiwan coilover in whatever color you'd like here setup, either.

You still haven't listed any of the "additional features" that are offered by the companies you're championing. I'm not triggered, i just wouldn't want someone to read this thread and think that spending $1500 on some generic garbage is a good idea, while inviting you to justify the statements you made. Because of course, we're all interested.

HarryB

I can only comment on BCs, cause I have tried them. Granted, the streets here are far from billiard-smooth, but this is where a good suspension should excel. And BC is FAR from that. I have also experienced Meister CRD+ on a friends' NA; much nicer despite the higher rates.

BTW I would prefer a properly engineered (i.e. with specific ride height and travel in mind) single perch setup with helpers over any double perch "separate height from preload" coilover.

18psi

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bc is trash. like, I would think twice between Riceland and bc, that's how low my opinion of bc is

but I have no dog in this race

dude.........c'mon

"He should consider superior build quality"

.......proceeds to list bottom of the barrel trash

turbofan

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That's because they're better, but I think you understand that. Takahashi doesn't.

Takahashi_Yuuyia

Not every brand that I listed is "bottom barrel" but good job picking and choosing parts of what I said to suit your agenda 🙄

I understand it just fine. Like I've already explained. I was simply making a statement showing that they're are plenty of options for the price points.

However, Since I'm the one who's opinion is under fire here for no apparent reason... I'll compile a more thorough response when I get home from work rather then combating my phone trying to reply to everyone 😅

18psi

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Lol agenda

concealer404

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You're not under fire. No need to victimize yourself. Those companies just suck for this platform, due to us having much better options that cost the same.

Braineack

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qft

Takahashi_Yuuyia

I'm not victimizing myself. Last I checked MT.net is more then well known for banter an ****-giving to each other. It's meant primarily as satire to that effect, however it seems the sarcasm is misconstrued.

none the less. The post was for a set of $1500 coilovers. Regardless of other people's stated opinions, MY opinion was that there are plenty of other things out there at the same price point. I never said that anything WAS better then the other. I simply pointed out several other brands that were out there (both good and bad according to everyone else ere who is commenting) because no one has said anything concerning my voicing of MCA (Australian based) Ohlins, TEIN brands products. Your all getting your cats hissy over me sharing my opinion that I'd rather have a different product then the GC's for the price considering that I don't trust the lock-ring style perch, would prefer for ride height and preload be adjustable seperatly, and would like a wide range of dampening adjustability. As well as spherical bearing top-hats... that's just "MY OPINION" nothing more nothing less.