Where are you guys finding OEM bushing kits? Yes, I searched, sorry if it's been beat to death. The closest to OEM (and cheapest) I can find is the $400 FM high performance rubber set.
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Yep, thats the cheapest ive seen.
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Can't wait to get this shit on the car. Most pumped about the offset bushings, I'm 9000% sick of outside edge wear. :party:
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Originally Posted by aidandj
(Post 1306525)
Yep, thats the cheapest ive seen.
Are the four bushings that aren't delrin included in the kit? I'm guessing they're rubber if they are, and the higher price up is for poly/bronze. |
They can be included. They are poly. See here.
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Originally Posted by Arca_ex
(Post 1306549)
Can't wait to get this shit on the car. Most pumped about the offset bushings, I'm 9000% sick of outside edge wear. :party:
Any races in the next 3 to 4 weeks? We can get just the offsets in there sooner, like this weekend, if needed. |
Originally Posted by KanseiKat
(Post 1306523)
Where are you guys finding OEM bushing kits? Yes, I searched, sorry if it's been beat to death. The closest to OEM (and cheapest) I can find is the $400 FM high performance rubber set.
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Originally Posted by hi_im_sean
(Post 1306572)
Ive got 2 or 3 more kits to do, and then ill make you next. Did you want to just bring the car over and we can do them as we go? or?
Any races in the next 3 to 4 weeks? We can get just the offsets in there sooner, like this weekend, if needed. I'm doing the Pro East event on Feb. 20/21, then on the 22nd I'll check on the status of the coilovers and if they are on schedule I will just take all the control arms off the car and bring them over. The next "deadline" would be the NASA east event on March 5/6. Probably want to be ready to corner balance and align by Thursday March 3rd, so three weeks from now. |
That'll be close, but we'll play it by ear.
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So after reading all of this I'm better off selling my fresh set of powerflex bushings and making my own from steel and acetal at uni for just material cost? :likecat:
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Originally Posted by Oscar
(Post 1306800)
So after reading all of this I'm better off selling my fresh set of powerflex bushings and making my own from steel and acetal at uni for just material cost? :likecat:
Yes, "bronze" is now a verb. |
Bronzing sounds good. Easier to sell off complete PF set and machine my own sleeves :)
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Would it be easier to increase the sleeve size to 20mm and use 40 or 50mm OD Delrin tube? Could cut down a bit on machining, prices I've been seeing is ~$12/ft
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The Miata Bushing MEGAthread: Heirarchy, DIY delrin dimensions, info and discussion
Originally Posted by Alternative
(Post 1307701)
Would it be easier to increase the sleeve size to 20mm and use 40 or 50mm OD Delrin tube? Could cut down a bit on machining, prices I've been seeing is ~$12/ft
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Maybe this was mentioned in another thread, but why 863 bronze over 841? I realize 863 is stronger and has a higher load capacity, but doesn't the iron content make it prone to rusting? Is the extra bearing capacity necessary? I can't imagine any single bearing seeing even close to 1500 lbs. of load under hard cornering...a 1G (~2500lb) cornering load, even if all of it was directed through just the lower arm of one wheel would still be divided among roughly 4 bearings so the per-bearing load would be only 625 lb.
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Factor of safety, bigger that is the longer the bearing is going to last in an application like this.
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Originally Posted by mx592
(Post 1312262)
Maybe this was mentioned in another thread, but why 863 bronze over 841? I realize 863 is stronger and has a higher load capacity, but doesn't the iron content make it prone to rusting? Is the extra bearing capacity necessary? I can't imagine any single bearing seeing even close to 1500 lbs. of load under hard cornering...a 1G (~2500lb) cornering load, even if all of it was directed through just the lower arm of one wheel would still be divided among roughly 4 bearings so the per-bearing load would be only 625 lb.
It wont rust seeing how its oil impregnated and alloyed with copper. Periodic greasing with the zerks will also mitigate or eliminate any rusting that would occur. Although static loads in cornering may not exceed bearing load, shock loads will. Rumble strips, pot holes, etc. Although im sure 841 would work without cracking in two, as leafy said, 863 will wear longer. Its only about $35 for the entire car to use 863 over 841. |
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Originally Posted by thumpetto007
(Post 1312643)
Delrin is very stiff, and also requires a lot of labor to machine (instead of just being cast like poly) See the details about the bronze bushing conversion kit if you want to get rid of some of the binding issues with poly. That being said 90% of track miatas run poly, and it performs perfectly fine, it just isn't the best solution |
So what about delrin bushings inside of the poly? If solid delrin bushings work with the bearing loads that these part see, then why wouldn't a delrin sleeve inside a poly bushing? You can buy tight tolerance 3/4" ID x 7/8" OD tubing (+/-.010") for $5 per foot, which is CHEAP!!:
McMaster-Carr Or you could go with oversize tube and finish it to the necessary size if the above tubing proves to be too sloppy: McMaster-Carr Or you could go with igus bearings for $2.74 each in quantities of 50: igusĀ® Plastic Plain Bearings: iglideĀ® J I am considering these options along with stainless sleeves - possibly precision ground 440C or even 17-4 PH if I can successfully drill it. |
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