Retrofit kit not for Superpro
A heads-up for anyone running Superpro poly bushings - the poly bronze retrofit kit won't fit. Fortunately I discovered this before Sadfab shipped the kit, and I have now upgraded to the delrin.
In fact, anyone running polys not mentioned by Sean should check the bore diameter before ordering, and make sure ALL the diameters line up with the bronze dimensions. |
Originally Posted by Gee Emm
(Post 1320114)
A heads-up for anyone running Superpro poly bushings - the poly bronze retrofit kit won't fit. Fortunately I discovered this before Sadfab shipped the kit, and I have now upgraded to the delrin.
In fact, anyone running polys not mentioned by Sean should check the bore diameter before ordering, and make sure ALL the diameters line up with the bronze dimensions. Poly/bronze has been verified to fit Energy Suspension and Prothane kits. Im almost positive Whiteline uses the same diameters, but im not 100% sure as I have never had a kit in my possession. |
Originally Posted by hi_im_sean
(Post 1320122)
Thanks Ed, I completely forgot to add that in my Supplemental 1.0.
Poly/bronze has been verified to fit Energy Suspension and Prothane kits. Im almost positive Whiteline uses the same diameters, but im not 100% sure as I have never had a kit in my possession. |
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I must be completely confused. Lol, it happens from time to time.
So Prothane, or ES. All others are on their own and can follow madjaks lead if they choose. |
Originally Posted by aidandj
(Post 1320207)
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Whiteline W62206 Control arm - lower inner bushing Straight 3/4" on the camber bolt locations seems like a bad Idea. Even the energy suspension 7/8" ones come out mushroomed on the ends because of the adjustment slot interface lack of contact area. |
I'm running 1" sleeves in my camber locations. First track day on them is tomorrow. What do you torque them to Bob?
If I were to guess I would agree with Bob. I bet they are not metric. |
for the ends on the bronze bush cam bolt locations. should work perfect.
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Originally Posted by aidandj
(Post 1320266)
I'm running 1" sleeves in my camber locations. First track day on them is tomorrow. What do you torque them to Bob?
If I were to guess I would agree with Bob. I bet they are not metric. |
Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 1320277)
for the ends on the bronze bush cam bolt locations. should work perfect.
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Originally Posted by hi_im_sean
(Post 1320301)
Thats almost exactly what im using now, except another 0.005" thicker :)
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I was thinking about your issue with the ES sleeves deforming. To be fair they are made of some sort of cheese steel. The stuff just seams really soft, like I said, I think its 1008. I have 4 new ES sleeves i might go cut on the lathe for some more anecdote.
And yea, 1144 is nice to machine. Small cuts, its like cast iron, larger cuts, its like a harder but non-sticky aluminium. |
SS Sleeves w/ Delrin+Urethane Combo
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Here's what I am working on.
I went with precision ground 416-A stainless for the sleeves. Super easy to machine, great surface finish, and not all that expensive (under $50 for all of the material I needed). I bought 6" of 5/8", 36" of 3/4", and 6" of 7/8" to make everything. Yield strength is 60 ksi which is pretty good, and you could harden them if you had the means (I don't). Took me about 8 hours of work on the lathe to make all this crap though! Instead of bronze I am using precision Delrin tubing bought from McMaster. It's about 1/4 the cost of bronze, and you can make the bushings one piece because you can cut the tube to whatever length you want. The tolerances are surprisingly good. I decided to use the ES front upper sleeves as-is, rather than trying to drill out the urethane to fit the 7/8" OD delrin. Later on I might just go with a solid delrin bushing in this location instead. We will see. I also bead blasted and painted all of my control arms with 2K primer and 2K paint. All of them are tapped for zerks as well. I might cross drill some holes in the delrin bushings to at least have somewhat of a chance of getting grease between the delrin and the stainless. However they are such a close fit and the surfaces are so smooth on each that I doubt the grease would really get in there anyway! Time to go assemble all of this, and install my brand spankin' new Xidas with spherical tophats at the same time! |
Very nice MX. And thanks for justifying my labor :) Seriously, drilling out 4 ft of rod sucks.
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Originally Posted by hi_im_sean
(Post 1320122)
Thanks Ed, I completely forgot to add that in my Supplemental 1.0.
Poly/bronze has been verified to fit Energy Suspension and Prothane kits. Im almost positive Whiteline uses the same diameters, but im not 100% sure as I have never had a kit in my possession. Another thing that is odd if you are making kits for people with V8R rear Uppers. all the bushings in the rear upper are 2mm longer than stock or anybody else. 58mm instead of 56mm. it requires spreading things a little on the chassis to squeez them in. I made them 56 and they were too narrow had to add length otherwise too much squish and friction. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1459734851 More data The Whiteline catalog lists their inboard lower sleves as 19mm which I think might actually be 3/4". Their non adjustable front upper is listed at 22.2mm which I think is 7/8" and they don't list any parts for other locations. their offset front upper uses 3/4" |
Another observation based on some Prothane universal bushings I got for another car.
I think Prothane material is significantly harder than all the other manufacturers probably half way to the hardness of delrin. |
Sean has both prothane and es bushings. He should compare stiffness
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I can do that
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Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 1320753)
Another observation based on some Prothane universal bushings I got for another car.
I think Prothane material is significantly harder than all the other manufacturers probably half way to the hardness of delrin. |
Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1321008)
Prothane is supposed to be 80 Shore A for all locations except for the front uppers where its 95 Shore A. 95A is about 50R and most delrin is 120R. For comparison.
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