Originally Posted by yuba
(Post 1629519)
Yeah, agreed with Bronson on the RX8 unit, just make sure you get the Sumitomo one.
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Originally Posted by Alejo_NIN
(Post 1629505)
this thread dis full of awesome, then went to look for an ABS pump and GAWD DANG! 2600$ for a complete kit!
I don’t know the current market, but if the MK60 modules are commanding a premium and you’re not rules-limited, checkout pricing on the MK60e5, that might be better, though I don’t know what that module needs in terms of sensors. |
The RX8 sumitomo pumps are getting pretty hard to find. I used to see at least one a month on eBay for <$100. Now they're more like $300 if I ever see one at all. Been wanting to buy a spare for my car. I've found a few junkyard ones listed as non-DSC but it always ends up being a Bosch pump when they go check the car.
On the Mk60e5, I saw a FB post a couple days ago from a guy who'd done it and said the speed sensors are much more difficult to get working reliability. He had it working but switched back to regular mk60 because he didn't trust it. |
Originally Posted by jpreston
(Post 1629528)
The RX8 sumitomo pumps are getting pretty hard to find. I used to see at least one a month on eBay for <$100. Now they're more like $300 if I ever see one at all. Been wanting to buy a spare for my car. I've found a few junkyard ones listed as non-DSC but it always ends up being a Bosch pump when they go check the car.
On the Mk60e5, I saw a FB post a couple days ago from a guy who'd done it and said the speed sensors are much more difficult to get working reliability. He had it working but switched back to regular mk60 because he didn't trust it. One potential benefit of the RX8 Non-DSC ABS pump, for even the NA/NB's, is that the RX8 appears to also use VR sensors instead of hall sensors like the Mk60. Now the hall sensors should in theory be superior to the VR sensor, but it would make the swap easier. We could potentially use the current tone wheels and Miata ABS sensors. From what I've read about it the old RX8 race teams that were running standalone ECU's all used the non-DSC pump and it works well. Now I have no idea how it compares to the Mk60, so I'm scared I'll go through a bunch of work to swap it in and it'll absolutely suck donkey dick like the NB2 setup I retrofitted. MaxxECU has a predefined RX8 CAN protocol, which the pump outputs 4 wheel speeds and ABS warning over CAN. |
Originally Posted by engineered2win
(Post 1629547)
I've been looking at the RX8 non-DSC pump as a far cheaper alternative to the Mk60.
One potential benefit of the RX8 Non-DSC ABS pump, for even the NA/NB's, is that the RX8 appears to also use VR sensors instead of hall sensors like the Mk60. Now the hall sensors should in theory be superior to the VR sensor, but it would make the swap easier. We could potentially use the current tone wheels and Miata ABS sensors. From what I've read about it the old RX8 race teams that were running standalone ECU's all used the non-DSC pump and it works well. Now I have no idea how it compares to the Mk60, so I'm scared I'll go through a bunch of work to swap it in and it'll absolutely suck donkey dick like the NB2 setup I retrofitted. MaxxECU has a predefined RX8 CAN protocol, which the pump outputs 4 wheel speeds and ABS warning over CAN. |
Originally Posted by jpreston
(Post 1629528)
The RX8 sumitomo pumps are getting pretty hard to find. I used to see at least one a month on eBay for <$100. Now they're more like $300 if I ever see one at all. Been wanting to buy a spare for my car. I've found a few junkyard ones listed as non-DSC but it always ends up being a Bosch pump when they go check the car.
On the Mk60e5, I saw a FB post a couple days ago from a guy who'd done it and said the speed sensors are much more difficult to get working reliability. He had it working but switched back to regular mk60 because he didn't trust it. I just picked up a MK60e5 and i will be giving it a shot soon. |
Originally Posted by notamiata
(Post 1629548)
Just a heads up, i found that using the physical inputs had better results than can bus for that purpose. I felt there was some lag with the can bus.
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Originally Posted by icantlearn
(Post 1629624)
What bit rate is your CAN network streaming? I'm kind of surprised by this.
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how good would ABS work with a system with individual MC and no Brake Booster?
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Originally Posted by Alejo_NIN
(Post 1629684)
how good would ABS work with a system with individual MC and no Brake Booster?
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So i picked up an MK60e5 from an e90 m3 the other week, and decided to play around with it on my desk. I hooked up power and the yaw sensor so far, as well as the PT CAN wires to the Kline usb dongle. It is working perfectly with INPA, so the rumors about needing the JBE or a motorsports flash in order to diagnose or bleed the brakes are FALSE.
Also, there is no internal yaw/accel sensor. It has an external one and works just like the e46 one. So the rumors about the abs unit needing to be aligned properly are also FALSE. The last thing i need to check before i install it are wheel speed sensors. I'm hoping i can use my existing tone rings, but i am unsure at this point. I did confirm that the e46 sensors do not work with it. An open/closed contact on the wheel speed sensor wires does trigger a change/reading of speed in inpa, so it's possible that a standard hall sensor may work. The unknown thing is that the standard oem wheel speed sensors are able to detect direction of rotation, so i don't know how important that is or if it will still be able to do it with a non-stock sensor. |
All this activity on the MK60 and its variants really makes me want to grab a couple of junkyard units and open them up… I really want to know how much variation there is in the actual circuit board hardware. I’ve only seen a few pictures at too-low resolution, but it does look like they have some chips that may be proprietary. Or at least they’re custom silk-screened :)
Amusingly, Continental has a job opening right now that’s very close to what I do now. Unfortunately I’m not fluent in German. And they’d probably prefer if I lived in Europe… Sadly, too many current projects, too little time… |
Originally Posted by thebeerbaron
(Post 1629753)
All this activity on the MK60 and its variants really makes me want to grab a couple of junkyard units and open them up… I really want to know how much variation there is in the actual circuit board hardware. I’ve only seen a few pictures at too-low resolution, but it does look like they have some chips that may be proprietary. Or at least they’re custom silk-screened :)
Amusingly, Continental has a job opening right now that’s very close to what I do now. Unfortunately I’m not fluent in German. And they’d probably prefer if I lived in Europe… Sadly, too many current projects, too little time… https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...cb2df846f.jpeg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b53c4e735.jpeg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...15bd8a0ac.jpeg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...3b0fabc91.jpeg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a0cf0e827.jpeg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...3bdd23cca.jpeg |
Has anyone successfully retrofitted the Mk60E5? I can find an E92 M3 pump used for around $200 without any effort. Info on the setup seems pretty scarce though. I read that the tire diameter can be modified on them via CAN, but I've also read you need the E92 CAN gateway to communicate with the pump.
It looks like the pressure sensors are integral to the pump and it adds the pressures and IMU to the CAN stream: https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d7094aa898.jpg |
Originally Posted by engineered2win
(Post 1629800)
Has anyone successfully retrofitted the Mk60E5? I can find an E92 M3 pump used for around $200 without any effort. Info on the setup seems pretty scarce though. I read that the tire diameter can be modified on them via CAN, but I've also read you need the E92 CAN gateway to communicate with the pump.
It looks like the pressure sensors are integral to the pump and it adds the pressures and IMU to the CAN stream: https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d7094aa898.jpg |
Would love to hear the results. I’ve wired one and it works, but can’t communicate, even with multiple scan tools that have worked with the e46 unit.
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Originally Posted by curly
(Post 1629849)
Would love to hear the results. I’ve wired one and it works, but can’t communicate, even with multiple scan tools that have worked with the e46 unit.
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I’ll check my diagrams, don’t remember if I even hooked up Kline. I’m unfortunately not around the car often. Thanks for the tip!
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Originally Posted by curly
(Post 1629851)
I’ll check my diagrams, don’t remember if I even hooked up Kline. I’m unfortunately not around the car often. Thanks for the tip!
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Originally Posted by notamiata
(Post 1629686)
So i picked up an MK60e5 from an e90 m3 the other week, and decided to play around with it on my desk. I hooked up power and the yaw sensor so far, as well as the PT CAN wires to the Kline usb dongle. It is working perfectly with INPA, so the rumors about needing the JBE or a motorsports flash in order to diagnose or bleed the brakes are FALSE.
Also, there is no internal yaw/accel sensor. It has an external one and works just like the e46 one. So the rumors about the abs unit needing to be aligned properly are also FALSE. The last thing i need to check before i install it are wheel speed sensors. I'm hoping i can use my existing tone rings, but i am unsure at this point. I did confirm that the e46 sensors do not work with it. An open/closed contact on the wheel speed sensor wires does trigger a change/reading of speed in inpa, so it's possible that a standard hall sensor may work. The unknown thing is that the standard oem wheel speed sensors are able to detect direction of rotation, so i don't know how important that is or if it will still be able to do it with a non-stock sensor. Have you flashed the DSC unit ? |
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