Mk60 ABS Installation Guide
Mk60 ABS Installation Guide
Foreword, This is a stupid idea and no one should do this. You are risking your life and the lives of other by messing around with your brakes. If you do this and end up running down a group of nuns holding orphaned babies, I take no responsibility for your actions. This is for informational and theoretical purposes only. Do not attempt. Your mileage may vary, etc... Hi All, My name is Christopher Lewis with Shakydog Racing https://www.facebook.com/ShakyDogRacing/. I have spent about 8 months working on an ABS system with 3DM Motorsports www.3dmmotorsport.com and Racing Harness Technologies https://www.facebook.com/RacingHarnessABS/. Together, we have created a basic package to allow this awesome system to be installed into a Miata. This system is targeted at the track oriented crowd and like all other performance parts and upgrades, you are doing this at your own risk. 3DM and RHT have compiled a basic guide overviewing the generic installation into any car. MK60 Motorsport ABS ? 3DM Motorsport In this thread I will show you what I have gathered about installing the Teves Mk60 ABS system into a Miata. My experience is with 1999 Miata’s so you might need to adjust accordingly to your car if a difference should arise. The basic concepts should carry over to all NA and NB vehicles though. Also, there There is a wealth of info in this thread related to the Mk60 system: https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...tandalone-info I have copied some of the parts lists from that above referenced thread for the following list. The install all consists of four basic parts; 1. Installing the various sensors 2. Installing the ABS pump unit 3. Plumbing the lines 4. Filling and bleeding the system. There are a number of parts you will need for an installation. I have tried to list them below with part numbers but again, verify what you need before you buy. 1x E46 M3 ABS Pump/Controller 2x E46 M3 Brake Pressure Sensors P/N: 34521164458 1x E46 M3 Integrated Accel/Yaw Sensor P/N: 34526764018 1x Z3 3.0i Front Right Wheel Speed Sensor - P/N: 34526752690 1x Z3 3.0i Front Left Wheel Speed Sensor - P/N: 34526752689 2x E46 M3 Rear Wheel Speed Sensors - P/N: 34526752683 1x Custom MK60 ABS Harness The above parts are available through 3DM Motorsports. Additional parts needed to complete the installation are; Brake Line and assorted fittings and tools . I use all 3/16” brake lines. The only issue is finding 12mm brake line fittings for the abs unit. Not hard to find but just be aware most of them are for 1/4” lines. Front Non-ABS spindles with undrilled ABS sensor bosses Rear ABS uprights with sensor brackets. (You can make non-abs rear uprights to work with a bit of fabrication) I will go into more detail about specific line fittings during the detailed sections later. |
Let’s start with the tone rings on the half shafts. First, there are a couple different styles of half shaft so make sure that you can press the tone rings onto the ones that you have or just go buy abs half shafts.
Here is is a factory half shaft with the flat area for the tone ring. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...1102b7a01.jpeg Here are are two other half shafts,. The one on the left is from Autozone and hlso has provisions for a tone ring. The one on the right is a factory half shaft but is too large in diameter and lack the flat area for the tone ring. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2e49ef988.jpeg I have found that using a piece of 3 1/2” pipe about 3 inches long make a good press for installing the tone rings. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...13dd2168b.jpeg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...87577ce8a.jpeg The rings will will go on farther than necessary so be careful about getting positioned. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...9a5e3f869.jpeg Here it is pressed on too far https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...48c61c67f.jpeg This is correct https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f9300d2d8.jpeg So now let’s talk about the rear uprights. You are going to need some off of an ABS Miata along with the sensor brackets. They look like this https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f400301cc.jpeg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...98b2e0894.jpeg Once you get them cleaned up and prepped and installed as you would any other rear upright, you need to modify the sensor bracket. Remove it and red loctite a bolt into the hole where the single Allen head bolt is in the above photo. Once the loctite is set, cut the head off the bolt filling the hole. Then mill off the surface of the sensor until the end of the sensor is .040-.060” from the tone ring. Locate where the sensor bolt should be located and drill and tap it for a 6mmx1.00 bolt https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a4cac023c.jpeg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2c841c35b.jpeg Once the the sensor is installed, secure the sensor wire to the upper control arm and route it toward the front of the rear wheel well. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...9a366b1e4.jpeg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2c4407cf9.jpeg The routing of the sensor wires is forward to the front of the wheel wells where I have mounted some BMW sensor plug holders. I got these off of some cars at the pull-a-part. All the bmw’s of this era seem to use some variation of them. I just trim the mounting ears off the back and rivet them in place. They make for a nice neat installation. With these these in place, you are done with the rear sensors. Just route the harness down the PPF and plug into the sensors. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...fb0d79d25.jpeg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...e008c6a9d.jpeg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f8e3fc1e5.jpeg Now for the fronts. This is easy. Just send me your undrilled front spindles. I will machine them for the proper hole placement and send them back to you. You install them using hubs with tone rings and bolt the sensors in. Now depending on what hubs you are using, you will have to shim the sensors to have them properly located over the tone rings. You can simply use a stack of washers. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...99911b31b.jpeg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...95639ea1c.jpeg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...fffea2a23.jpeg |
We decided to utilize the stock location for mounting the ABS pump. So the harness has its sensor lengths based off of that location. If you decide to use a different location, you will need to alter the sensor lengths to suit.
This is is the design of the pump bracket that we came up with. It is a bit low and hard to install the harness on it. But it has worked with any problems. We are trying some different designs and will post up our results later. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...403afbf91.jpeg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...1f719ddca.jpeg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f30a279e5.jpeg Here are a few pics from our latest bracket design. It uses the stock bracket with the rear legs cut off and welded to a base plate. It bolts into several of the stock threaded holes. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8c68bc6f1.jpeg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...3b8bb3957.jpeg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...637f5f02c.jpeg So once you get the unit mounted, it’s a simple matter of plumbing it up. Just remember that the markings are in German so V means front and H mean rear. Right and left are the same. I suggest that you REALLY concentrate on getting the plumbing in the right way. Switching the front and rear will give you a car that brakes fine until you go into ABS and then wants to kill you. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...e77f285b8.jpeg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b01f76a312.png Here you can see how we mounted the pressure sensors in the lines coming from the master cylinder. Also you can see the plug in the side of the master cylinder where the second front brake line used to exit. You could mount the pressure sensor in that location and is probably what we will do with our next install. For this one we used 10mm tees with 12mm to 10mm adapters. Part numbers are brakequip bq44 for the pressure sensor adapters and bq91A tee fitting. Plumb the sensor for the rear line in after the proportioning valve. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f70860af7.jpeg |
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We now have the ability to machine the rear uprights just like the factory ones. |
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Did you use the front BMW sensors because they were easy to make work or because you thought you had to? And was the Accel/yaw and pressure sensors to keep the error light off or does the stock programming work better with them?
We’ll be doing this soon on our NA in LDRL, but with the Motorsports flash and no Accel/yaw/pressure sensors. |
Originally Posted by curly
(Post 1543273)
Did you use the front BMW sensors because they were easy to make work or because you thought you had to? And was the Accel/yaw and pressure sensors to keep the error light off or does the stock programming work better with them?
We’ll be doing this soon on our NA in LDRL, but with the Motorsports flash and no Accel/yaw/pressure sensors. They are very easy to install. From what I’ve read, the ABS unit really needs these sensors to know what’s going on to properly regulate pressures to the individual wheels |
I work with Curly. We've done this install on a number of BMWs and Porsches as a standalone unit with no pressure or yaw sensors but with the motorsport software and have been planning on running it on the Miata for a long time. We will report back on our install and hopefully add more data to this thread. Props for doing this!! Really pumped to see this stuff finally trickle down to Miatas. Anxiously awaiting to see more photos.
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Originally Posted by greddygalant
(Post 1543288)
I work with Curly. We've done this install on a number of BMWs and Porsches as a standalone unit with no pressure or yaw sensors but with the motorsport software and have been planning on running it on the Miata for a long time. We will report back on our install and hopefully add more data to this thread. Props for doing this!! Really pumped to see this stuff finally trickle down to Miatas. Anxiously awaiting to see more photos.
May I ask what the reasoning is with not installing the sensors? They are extremely simple to install. |
Very relevant to my interests. Thank you for making the actual implementation clear - the concept is great but knowing how someone has done it successfully is incredibly useful.
If you've got a mill, why not just mill the rear mounts from stock? Maybe I'm just a nerd with a mini-mill, but that seems more straightforward to me. Do you know of a part number for the ABS pump/controller electrical connector? The off-the-shelf universal harnesses are just hideously expensive for work I'm happy to do myself. I assume, perhaps incorrectly, I can buy a crimper for the terminals for less than the price of a harness. |
Originally Posted by thebeerbaron
(Post 1545177)
Very relevant to my interests. Thank you for making the actual implementation clear - the concept is great but knowing how someone has done it successfully is incredibly useful.
If you've got a mill, why not just mill the rear mounts from stock? Maybe I'm just a nerd with a mini-mill, but that seems more straightforward to me. Do you know of a part number for the ABS pump/controller electrical connector? The off-the-shelf universal harnesses are just hideously expensive for work I'm happy to do myself. I assume, perhaps incorrectly, I can buy a crimper for the terminals for less than the price of a harness. I have seen a listing somewhere on the BMW forums that list the part number. You could go down to the pick a part and just grab one off a car for like $5. I think the real trick is knowing what kind of wire to use for the sensors and whether its twisted pair and all the various connectors and pins, etc... I have learned in all my years to just go do what I do well and make the money to buy from someone who does their thing well. Doug Wardell does harnesses well. Without guys like him around, this probably wouldn't be a thing |
Originally Posted by fmcokc
(Post 1545179)
I have seen a listing somewhere on the BMW forums that list the part number. You could go down to the pick a part and just grab one off a car for like $5. I think the real trick is knowing what kind of wire to use for the sensors and whether its twisted pair and all the various connectors and pins, etc...
I have learned in all my years to just go do what I do well and make the money to buy from someone who does their thing well. Doug Wardell does harnesses well. Without guys like him around, this probably wouldn't be a thing Thanks again for sharing your work! |
For those few of us who are using the Keisler Automation Spindles and the Toyota MR2 integrated hub, bearing, abs sensor would you be willing to disassemble a front hub and see if there is a way to integrate the BMW sensor onto the internal tone ring of the MR2 hub?
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OH baby! 2019 is turning out to be a good year for Miatas.
E46 ABS and K24Z swaps slot nicely into TT/ST4. NASA 2019 Rules: 6.4.3 ST4 Anti-Lock Braking Systems (ABS) Anti-lock braking systems may only be OEM or offered specifically for the car model (any trim model or generation) as a factory option. No OEM systems offered for a different car model or aftermarket systems are permitted, with the exception that the BMW E46 MK60 ABS (including Teves/ATE standalone) may be used on any vehicle. How is this whole process going to work? Like will it all be listed on the 3DM website? Is there a Miata specific harness, or would be using the universal one? It sounds like this will be a Miata specific harness. I wouldn't mind paying for a complete wiring solution (assuming it's similarly priced to the other harness' listed on their site), but I'm not going to spend $1k on a what becomes a very expensive flying lead harness. Also what's the time frame? |
[QUOTE=TNTUBA;1548151]For those few of us who are using the Keisler Automation Spindles and the Toyota MR2 integrated hub, bearing, abs sensor would you be willing to disassemble a front hub and see if there is a way to integrate the BMW sensor onto the internal tone ring of the MR2 hub?[/QUOTE
Check and see if the mr2 sensor are active. If so you can use them. |
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The 2 Mk60 equipped Miata’s are currently taking it to almost everyone else at the 24. |
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Originally Posted by TNTUBA
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For those few of us who are using the Keisler Automation Spindles and the Toyota MR2 integrated hub, bearing, abs sensor would you be willing to disassemble a front hub and see if there is a way to integrate the BMW sensor onto the internal tone ring of the MR2 hub?[/QUOTE
Check and see if the mr2 sensor are active. If so you can use them. |
Just wanted to share a little feedback about the ABS system that I received from a driver. He joined us at our race this last October at Hallett for the WRL race. Also, the car he was driving is currently leading the WRL overall season points in no small part to this system.
It's not that I don't appreciate the power of technology, it's just that there are some things I'd rather do myself. You say your automated manual transmission shifts faster, gets better gas mileage and contributes to a better lap time around the Nordschleife? I think that's great, for you, but I prefer to shift for myself because I enjoy doing it thank you. I don't care if it makes my lap times slower. All this to say that while I came into my weekend in Tramp with it's fancy ABS braking system carrying a healthy dose of skepticism, I was soon won over. The system itself is unobtrusive, which was a relief since I recall back in the mid '90's when I first drove a Miata factory equipped with ABS and found the pedal feel much compromised compared to my experience with earlier NA's. So a pedal with good feedback was a nice surprise, but when you start using the brakes hard is when you really realize the benefits! The best illustration of the system's capability came early in the weekend while working to pass faster cars with slower lap times. First a bit of background is in order. As anyone who has spent any time on track in a Miata will be able to relate to, the cars (particularly well prepared cars like Tramp and Moose) turn fantastic lap times considering how little horsepower they pack. But this means that when a driver of a lesser car (or a driver with lesser capabilities) but with more power presents themselves in your windscreen, they can be hard to pass since they simply motor away down every straightaway. This leaves you with the challenge of getting around them in the twisty bits and building a sufficient gap before the next straightaway to prevent them from passing you again to continue their rolling road block. So on Saturday morning I started off having the typical Miata experience of closing on the "fast" cars while running Hallett "backwards" (clockwise) through turns 9, 8 and 7 only to have them pull away slightly down the back straight before getting in my way again at turn 6. Turn 6 makes for a real opportunity zone for a pass under late braking since it is a long turn of significantly more than 90 degrees. If you can make your pass coming into the corner, you can scrub a bit of speed mid corner and get back onto a proper line before the corner exit so you can start your run up the short uphill straight. That sets you up to make your escape through turns 5 and 4 putting enough daylight between you and the car you have passed to keep them from horsepowering on by you on the run down the hill into 3, and then hopefully put a still larger gap on them to make them nothing more than a memory when you start the climb out of 2 (sorry for the run on sentence, I got a little excited there, call it red mist). Getting back to the point at hand, passing under braking into 6 can be a tricky business in the no-tech braking system cars I am used to driving. Locking a wheel or getting the car otherwise a bit out of shape all while trying to get turned in can easily make your heroic pass look like more of an amateuristic blunder. With the amazing ability of this system you can dive under most anyone in the braking zone, staying on the gas well after you see your challenger's taillights flair and car take a stance on it's nose as you fly by, then after getting fully in front of them you can go hard on the binders with no thoughts of finesse, turn in wherever you like and the car just slows and turns as if the hand of God reached in to make you the hero you always knew you were. Hallett's notoriously bumpy surface is even a non-issue since they system almost magically brushes that off and takes it in stride. Later in the race day when the pads started to go off, the pedal started to go soft and the travel got longer, the ABS provided a nice safety net/comfort level that the brakes would be there when you really needed them. The pedal actually seemed to get firmer when you stomped hard enough to actuate the ABS. It was just the kind of reassurance you need to keep running good lap times in an endurance racing environment. In fact, while the ability to make passes you might not even attempt to make otherwise is a major advantage, perhaps the most important benefit of this system is that it can help prevent driver fatigue and provides a safety net that is much appreciated during a long stint on an even longer weekend! So now the challenge is moving back to my own non-ABS equipped Miata track car. I'm afraid Tramp has made me lazy! So, tell me more about this PDK in your Boxster??? (Just kidding.) -- Sent from a touch screen device so please pardon my typos! |
Has anyone tried the MK60/2 (= gen 2) yet? I think it was used in the E90 3 series and comes with integrated brake pressure sensors.
I'm currently installing the NB2 ABS into my 1992 NA. It *looks* like the big connector at the ABS Block might physically fit MK60 units, so upgrading to an MK60 at a later stage might be a simple task of replacing the wheel speed sensors and adding the wire for the yaw sensor. (And maybe re-pin some wires at the ABS connector) |
Originally Posted by Eunos91
(Post 1557703)
Has anyone tried the MK60/2 (= gen 2) yet? I think it was used in the E90 3 series and comes with integrated brake pressure sensors.
I'm currently installing the NB2 ABS into my 1992 NA. It *looks* like the big connector at the ABS Block might physically fit MK60 units, so upgrading to an MK60 at a later stage might be a simple task of replacing the wheel speed sensors and adding the wire for the yaw sensor. (And maybe re-pin some wires at the ABS connector) I think you might be referring to the mk60e5 system. From what I understand, it has to see a can connection to one of the other modules to operate. |
Ah, got it. Megasquirt can send a can protocol if I'm not mistaken. But maybe it's better to stick to the proven solution. Do you think it's necessary to remap the ABS ECU for a dual duty car running wide UHP trackday tires (Nankang AR-1), i.e. not slicks?
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Hi All,
Chris pointed me to this thread and I wanted to introduce myself. I am the guy that did the wiring and provided the ABS unit. Please don't hesitate to fire away with questions. |
Originally Posted by Douglas Wardell
(Post 1558640)
Hi All,
Chris pointed me to this thread and I wanted to introduce myself. I am the guy that did the wiring and provided the ABS unit. Please don't hesitate to fire away with questions. |
Looks like I may be going down this path soon. I might have to hit you up to have a set of front spindles modified.
Sorry if I missed it but did you end up having your module programmed with specific info from the car? Or did you end up with the CSL flash or is it just an untouched unit? And another question, is there any way to implement a rotary type switch to adjust the level of ABS intervention on the fly? |
Originally Posted by Arca_ex
(Post 1561795)
Looks like I may be going down this path soon. I might have to hit you up to have a set of front spindles modified.
Sorry if I missed it but did you end up having your module programmed with specific info from the car? Or did you end up with the CSL flash or is it just an untouched unit? And another question, is there any way to implement a rotary type switch to adjust the level of ABS intervention on the fly? We are using the 813.3 and 817.3 units. The 813.3 has the standard M3 program and the 817.3 has the CSL program. I personally think the standard M3 program actually works best for our cars. We are trying some different rear brake setups to see how shifting the bias more rearward affects the abs. |
Originally Posted by fmcokc
(Post 1561827)
There is not a way to adjust the amount of intervention with this system. That would be Bosch M4/5/6 systems.
We are using the 813.3 and 817.3 units. The 813.3 has the standard M3 program and the 817.3 has the CSL program. I personally think the standard M3 program actually works best for our cars. We are trying some different rear brake setups to see how shifting the bias more rearward affects the abs. And one last question, if you have an on/off switch for the system does the braking function normally when the ABS unit is powered off or are there bias issues? |
Originally Posted by Arca_ex
(Post 1561830)
Interesting. I am going to be using a Stoptech four wheel BBK.
And one last question, if you have an on/off switch for the system does the braking function normally when the ABS unit is powered off or are there bias issues? When you turn the ABS off, it works just like normal. We have a switch located right next to the Ign switch on the panel for easy access if there is ever a problem and need to turn it off. |
I've been doing this to my own HPDE car and ran into a "gotcha" that I thought I'd share.
The pressure sensors thread into inverted flare ports, NOT bubble flare ports. I machined my own fittings based on the assumption that they were bubble-flare, like other fittings on the BMW. They leak. Don't make the same mistake! Douglas Wardell / 3DMmotorsport have been very supportive and helpful. I'm using their parts kit of ABS module + wheel sensors + pressure sensors + gyro box, but I've done my own wiring. No affiliation, just a happy customer. |
Originally Posted by thebeerbaron
(Post 1564161)
I've been doing this to my own HPDE car and ran into a "gotcha" that I thought I'd share.
The pressure sensors thread into inverted flare ports, NOT bubble flare ports. I machined my own fittings based on the assumption that they were bubble-flare, like other fittings on the BMW. They leak. Don't make the same mistake! Douglas Wardell / 3DMmotorsport have been very supportive and helpful. I'm using their parts kit of ABS module + wheel sensors + pressure sensors + gyro box, but I've done my own wiring. No affiliation, just a happy customer. Yep, use the Brakequip bq44 12-10mm adapters to avoid that issue. |
Originally Posted by thebeerbaron
(Post 1564161)
The pressure sensors thread into inverted flare ports, NOT bubble flare ports. I machined my own fittings based on the assumption that they were bubble-flare, like other fittings on the BMW. They leak. Don't make the same mistake!
(For anyone wondering, the Audi master definitely won't bolt up to the miata brake booster, but could maybe work with an adapter plate. I don't think the pushrod length would be correct though. I only bought it because I'm doing a booster delete at the same time as the ABS.) |
The brakequip BQ44 looks exactly like the Audi sensors that I have. Dual chamfers to work with inverted or bubble.
https://brakequipproducts.com/wp-con...loads/BQ44.jpg |
Originally Posted by fmcokc
(Post 1564162)
Yep, use the Brakequip bq44 12-10mm adapters to avoid that issue.
Shows what I know. Your directions and part numbers are correct. Folks should beware if they decide to go in a different direction. |
I'm now far enough along in my install that I'm comfortable saying a few things I've done are functional and I feel OK sharing the info. I was going to wait until I had a chance to actually test the car, but I've had a few requests, so here goes.
DIY Wiring Tips Connectors - Junk Yard approach. I got my connectors from the junk yard. E46es are surprisingly plentiful in NorCal Pick-N-Pulls. I didn't believe it until I searched. You'll need: 4 x blue wheel speed sensor connectors, body side. I don't think they're limited to the E46, in fact I think some of the ones I grabbed came off a 5 series. Grab more than four so you have one or two to break, or so you can select the best at home. Beware that there are gray connectors of similar size/shape that are either from a different ABS system or from the brake pad wear sensors. If you're thinking the connector in your hand might just be faded blue, it's probably gray. The blue connectors are blue like a Smurf. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...bd02817b34.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c285c7817e.jpg 1 x 47-pin connector + 2 x 3-pin pressure sensor connectors. I don't recall if the big connector is limited to those E46es that came with the MK60 ABS, I think it was actually used on an earlier ABS system as well. You'll know it when you see it. The MK60 systems have the ABS module really close to the master cylinder and the two pressure sensors are mounted to the master. Take some time at the junk yard to tease apart the wire bundle that goes to the connector and separate out the two pigtails that go to the pressure sensors. There's no need to chop up these lines. If you're going to be really lazy, also go ahead and unbolt the ground wire instead of cutting it. Some time looking and thinking before you cut may save you headaches later. Also note that the ABS system is hidden under a plastic cover that's held on by socket head hex screws or some crazy knockwurst like that. At least I think they were hex, maybe they were Torx? Just bring your entire damn tool box, those BMW over-engineers love using five bolts of differing sizes where one will do. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...e5d33750a3.jpg See that tab at the far left side? Pull that straight out and the connector will self-eject off the pump controller. The indexing tabs in the center slot don't seem to matter - I've used two of these connectors, each with different configuration, they work just fine. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...5eb865a284.jpg 1 x 6 pin connector for yaw/accel sensor. This one is a pain. It's located in the cockpit, on the floor, just in front of the driver's seat, towards the outside edge of the car. Your best bet is to cut away the carpet directly in front of the front seat mounting points. If you're grabbing the electronics yourself, you'll want to grab the box it's attached to, but I didn't do that. Only four of the wires are populated. Push the tab on top down to disconnect. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a4fb603280.jpg While you're at the junk yard cursing at the absurdness of BMW electronics, look for and grab an OBD-II connector and wires from one of the cars. I grabbed one that has a nice little flip door on it. Make sure you get one with plenty of pins populated - you'll need six pins to do it right. The actual pin location/color/etc doesn't matter - you can move the pins around pretty easily, just make sure you have enough of them. Connectors - BMW E30 Motorsport Parts list. (Thank you https://www.facebook.com/bmwm3motorsport) There's a pdf file floating around titled "mk60-wiring-instructions.pdf" - http://www.m3e30.fr/medias/files/mk6...structions.pdf They've listed the BMW part numbers for the relevant connectors. I've copied it here in case the file ever goes missing. I have not verified that these are correct. MK60 Main Connector (1 required) - 61 13 6 954 574 DSC Speed Sensor Connector (1 required) - 61 13 8 383 300 Pressure Sensor Connector (2 required) - 61 13 8 365 348 Wheel Speed Sensor Connector (4 required) - 61 13 1 392 246 More later |
Contacts
BMW E30 Motorsport Parts list Large Crimp Contact: 61 13 8 364 846 Small Crimp Contact: 61 13 6 901 726 Large Seal Grommet: 61 13 8 372 628 Medium Seal Grommet: 61 13 8 366 245 Small Seal Grommet: 61 13 8 369 722 Cheapo Option I have a personal loathing for paying retail prices for contacts that come on reels. After some digging, I believe that BMW uses TE Connectivity connectors from the MQS Interconnect System. MQS is "Micro Quadlok Systems". I believe MQS is even in the title of some of the BMW parts diagrams. I found this pdf file from TE, which has a ton of information: http://www.te.com/content/dam/te-com...system-mqs.pdf I have no idea any more how I found that file, but it may be findable from Mouser or some other source. There are three sizes of pins used in the OE harnesses. I believe they are as follows: Small - "Receptacle, 0.63mm". These are female contacts used in the sensor connectors - all four wheel speed connectors, both pressure sensor connectors, and the yaw/accel sensor. The TE part number I used is 965906-1. I bought mine from Mouser - 100 for $16. Medium - "Receptacle, 1.5mm". These are female contacts used in the large 47-pin connector for the control module. The TE part number I used is 1355556-1. I bought mine from Mouser - $0.129 each. Large - I did not buy new pins for this, but I'll grab some more dimensions and post info here. These are the connectors for the four power wires in the large 47-pin connector at the control module. Since they're not signal wires and pretty good sized, I just re-used the contacts that came with the junk yard connector. Seals - For the small and medium connectors, I used TE part number 967067-1. They worked OK, not great. I think the issue was my crimping. I do not have the proper tool (see below). I bought mine from Mouser - $0.146 each. Crimping I used the "GM Delphi Weatherpack Crimper Tool", model T-18. It worked great for crimping the wire. It did not work great on the seals, but it did work. |
Wire
The wire in the BMW is all metric, so any AWG sizes I suggest are approximate. The wheel speed sensors use approximately 20 AWG wire. The stuff on the BMW is twisted pair. I used Tefzel shielded twisted pair from ProwireUSA. "20 AWG x 2 Shielded Cable". Part M27500/20SB2T23. Very reasonably priced. I bought their "Shield Terminator With 22 Gauge Lead" and terminated one end of each run at the ABS module end. I also used the shielded twisted pair (STP) for the yaw sensor data lines. The other wires I just used TXL 20 AWG wire, also from ProwireUSA. Buy a bunch. For power/ground to the ABS module, I used some 12 AWG wire I had laying around. I'll post more info about how I wired in the power later. Prowire suggests that Tefzel is difficult to strip cleanly. They suggest a wire stripper by Ideal and sell it for big money. There's a similar model available far less that does everything you'll need for this job. Also made by Ideal, model 45-092. Strips 22 to 10 AWG. This uses knives to cut the insulation at exact AWG diameters. It will cut the copper wire just as easily, so do not use it on the BMW (metric) wire. |
Wow, this is awesome! Definitely following. I almost started going down the path of installing an NB ABS system until I saw this thread.
I scanned the whole thread and haven’t seen the answers to two questions I currently have. Hopefully you guys don’t mind teaching me a few things. 1. How are yaw sensors contributing to the ABS system? Intuitively, I would think that they’re for stability control, not antilock. 2. Is there an actual kit in the works for people like me who can’t fabricate? I see a lot of collaboration among shops and hints about a kit, but I didn’t see an actual announcement. But I may have missed it. 3. What is an “upright?” English isn’t my first language and I get confused when adjectives are used as nouns. I’m also not super experienced with car mechanic things. 4. What would you guys ballpark an all-in cost for this project? Thanks! |
Originally Posted by Gplusplus
(Post 1568564)
1. How are yaw sensors contributing to the ABS system? Intuitively, I would think that they’re for stability control, not antilock.
2. Is there an actual kit in the works for people like me who can’t fabricate? I see a lot of collaboration among shops and hints about a kit, but I didn’t see an actual announcement. But I may have missed it. 3. What is an “upright?” English isn’t my first language and I get confused when adjectives are used as nouns. I’m also not super experienced with car mechanic things. 4. What would you guys ballpark an all-in cost for this project? |
BMW Acronyms
Teves MK60 Feature Descriptions I should be doing any number of things for my employer, but I think it'd be more fun to post here. The following is taken from what appears to be a BMW document, titled "E46 Traction and Stability Control Systems". I'm posting it here because there are so many damn features in the Mk60 system that the acronyms become annoying. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...41c47f838b.png The Teves MK60 system is designed to maintain the vehicles stability during:
Corner Brake Control (CBC) CBC can occur if the vehicle is cornering and ABS regulation is not taking place. If the control unit detects transverse acceleration in excess of 0.6g and the brakes are applied, CBC prevents a build up in brake pressure to the inside rear wheel. This prevents the vehicle from entering into an unstable situation that can lead to Oversteer. The MK60 accomplishes this by closing the Inlet Valve, thus not allowing brake pressure to increase at the brake caliper. The difference in braking force between the two rear wheels creates a yaw force that opposes the oversteer and allows the vehicle to handle neutrally. Electronic Brake Force Distribution (EBV) EBV will adjust brake pressure to the rear axle based on the rate of slow-down of the rear wheels, ensuring even brake force between the front and the rear of the vehicle. The control unit monitors the wheel speed when the brakes are applied and compares the deceleration of the front and rear axle to determine required regulation. If the vehicle is moderately to fully loaded, the rear axle will take longer to slow down, rear wheel brakes can then be applied at a higher pressure . If a vehicle was lightly loaded, a similar brake pressure would be too great and result in an unstable situation. I think it's worth noting here that EBV does not substitute for static brake proportioning on the BMW. In the BMW master cylinder, there are two different sized pistons (to my knowledge). So the proportioning is done inside the master, before the pressure sensors. I've put included a brake proportioning valve placed before the pressure sensors for this reason. Some other relevant gems from this document: The brake fluid level switch is incorporated into the cap. The switch is a reed contact switch. If the brake fluid is at a sufficient level, the switch is closed and switched to ground. If the fluid level drops below a specified level , the reed contacts open and the MK 60 responds by switching off the ASC/DSC functions. Normal braking and ABS operation is unaffected. Brake Pressure Sensors The sensor provides the control unit with an analog signal proportional to brake pressure. Voltage increases with increasing brake pressure. Plausibility with BLS (brake light switch) The signal input from the brake light switch is compared with the pressure sensor values. The pressure sensors must not detect more than 5 bar when the BLS is not actuated. Both signals are used to form a redundant BLS input which is constantly monitored.
Originally Posted by 3DMMotorsports
Brake Light Switch: The MK60 requires an input when the brake pedal is depressed. The wire that senses this needs to see a chassis ground when pedal is NOT pressed (Normally Closed) and open circuit when the pedal IS pressed.
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Engine Bay Plumbing
I'm done plumbing the system and actually have the car running and driving and stopping. I have not been able to really test the ABS function... I chose to put everything on the driver's side, where the stock intake sat. In the "E46 Traction and Stability Control Systems" document, it says: The pre-charge pump used on previous systems is no longer required. Rapid pressure build up is possible because of the close proximity of the hydraulic unit to the master cylinder and improvements in the design of the return pump. This seems like a fine reason to keep the run between the master and the hydraulic unit. This also reduces the number of tubes crossing over the transmission - I only used the existing stock lines. The E46s I found in the junk yard mount the MK60 at an angle. Maybe it's a good way to angle the ports so there's always somewhere for air bubbles to travel upwards and out of the unit. I went ahead and mounted the unit at a similar angle. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8d4240b254.jpg I mounted the BrakeQuip tees to a piece of bent aluminum to keep them from flopping all over the place. I placed the pressure sensors at the bottom of the tee so that air bubbles don't get trapped in the sensor. I'm hoping it also serves as a shield against heat from the header - apparently these sensors don't like excess heat. The Wilwood prop valve fits nicely underneath the master here. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f9298e885e.jpg I mounted the OBD port I pulled off a junker near the hydraulic unit. It wasn't the greatest idea as the BMW procedure for bleeding the pressure requires you to both use the PC software and press the pedal. The cable I used wasn't long enough to reach, so I had to dig out an old USB extender. Not a big deal, but don't make this mistake. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2b5fa9e929.jpg I've now lost the ability to organize thoughts into a cogent post. More later. |
Initial Results (Anecdotal)
I freaking love this system. I took it out at Thunderhill West for a track day with TrackTime (who I think ran a great day). It was six 20-minute sessions on the 2-mile track. I was in the Advanced group with a bunch of faster cars, so I had no one holding me back. I have stock 1.8 brakes with GLock R10 fronts and R8 rears. I did two sessions on older 205 RE-71Rs on 15x7s and the other four on brand new 225 RS4s on 15x9s. I didn't futz with the ABS module at all. Observations:
I didn't get my data capture set up for this event, but based on the fact I'm nowhere near as good a driver as most of you on here, I'm driving a non-turbo Miata on FM Foxes instead of the requisite Xidas, and my car setup is probably lacking, what data would you find helpful for me to capture the next time I'm out? |
After hearing your observations, i'm beginning to wonder how much an improvement this system is over the NB2 ABS. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? The NB2 system is way easier to retrofit, cheaper, and if only marginally less performance, im not sure this is worth the $ and effort.
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Originally Posted by George Washington
(Post 1573098)
After hearing your observations, i'm beginning to wonder how much an improvement this system is over the NB2 ABS. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? The NB2 system is way easier to retrofit, cheaper, and if only marginally less performance, im not sure this is worth the $ and effort.
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Originally Posted by fmcokc
(Post 1573686)
No Comparison, you will throw rocks at the NB2 system once you have driven both.
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Does anyone know of a solution to convert the active BMW sensor signal into a passive type? I've seen things to do the opposite but not for this. I have a Race Logic TC which uses passive sensors so I'm trying to find a way to use the BMW sensors with it. Otherwise I guess I'll have to go NB2 if I want to stick with the RLTC.
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At a track day, looking for some input. I keep getting a 5E24 code, “Pressure Sensor 1/2 Not Plausible”. I clear it and it comes back the next session. Anyone have a clue on what to look at? Thanks in advance.
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Originally Posted by thebeerbaron
(Post 1565107)
Medium - "Receptacle, 1.5mm". These are female contacts used in the large 47-pin connector for the control module. The TE part number I used is 1355556-1. I bought mine from Mouser - $0.129 each.
Seals - For the small and medium connectors, I used TE part number 967067-1. They worked OK, not great. I think the issue was my crimping. I do not have the proper tool (see below). I bought mine from Mouser - $0.146 each. The proper TE contact to accommodate the seal is part number 1241603-1 The TE part number for the seals are: For 22awg wires 967067-2 (yellow color) For 18-20awg wires 967067-1 (green color) Blanking seal: 967056-1 (blue color) |
Originally Posted by druz
(Post 1573749)
Does anyone know of a solution to convert the active BMW sensor signal into a passive type? I've seen things to do the opposite but not for this. I have a Race Logic TC which uses passive sensors so I'm trying to find a way to use the BMW sensors with it. Otherwise I guess I'll have to go NB2 if I want to stick with the RLTC.
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Originally Posted by j_man
(Post 1598328)
The seals didn't work great for the 47pin plug because you used the wrong MQS contacts. 1355556-1 is to be used without those seals.
The proper TE contact to accommodate the seal is part number 1241603-1 The TE part number for the seals are: For 22awg wires 967067-2 (yellow color) For 18-20awg wires 967067-1 (green color) Blanking seal: 967056-1 (blue color) |
Originally Posted by j_man
(Post 1598329)
The ABS pump has outputs for the 4 wheels (at least the MK60E5 one has) but the case should be the same with the MK60. The ABS unit grounds the output on every tooth pulse, so you use a pullup resistor to either 5V or 12V (or any other) to generate a square wave amplitude what your Race Logic TC expects to see
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Originally Posted by fmcokc
(Post 1598345)
Thank you for that. I was just wondering the other day what is the correct connector for seals because I got the same thing and notice if they were too short. Question for you though, What is a good tool to crimp the seal for that size? I have several tools with the circular crimp on them for seals but they were all too big for this one.
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Ok, here you go. A much more affordable crimper for occasional dealings with these contacts:
https://www.bmotorsports.com/shop/pr...roducts_id/364 |
Originally Posted by thebeerbaron
(Post 1545177)
If you've got a mill, why not just mill the rear mounts from stock? Maybe I'm just a nerd with a mini-mill, but that seems more straightforward to me.
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just to confirm. All the fittings are m10 x 1 inverted except the pump (m12 x 1 bubble)?
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Originally Posted by icantlearn
(Post 1599729)
just to confirm. All the fittings are m10 x 1 inverted except the pump (m12 x 1 bubble)?
All the Miata stuff is M10 inverted flare. The BMW stuff is either M10 bubble flare or M12 bubble flare. That includes the pressure sensors. |
Which m10 are bubble? I thought the pressure sensors screw into the BQ44 adapter?
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Originally Posted by icantlearn
(Post 1599732)
Which m10 are bubble? I thought the pressure sensors screw into the BQ44 adapter?
All the Miata stuff is M10 inverted flare. Regarding the mill work - I'm afraid I've got too many projects going on right now to help you out. You should see the lack of progress on my K-swap! |
Originally Posted by thebeerbaron
(Post 1599734)
I believe all four outputs from the ABS module are M10 bubble. The two inputs may be M12 bubble. That sounds right - I'm not in front of my car right now.
You also need to use long thread brake flare nuts in the module, the short ones run out of thread before the pipe seats, found this out the hard way. The pressure sensors use an M12x1 inverted flare and yes the BQ44 adaptor is the right one for this. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...65db747562.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d94252eed0.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d03a979c48.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c8796ce04b.jpg |
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