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04-28-2016, 04:58 PM
#82
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Comfort level, I think fm/tokico is high on the list of those. I'd rate them: 1) fm/tokico 2) tein basis 3)xidas (700/400). I haven't tried super low sprung xidas, not even sure that exists.
Of course when it comes to performance, it's:
1) xida
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5) fm/tokico
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8) tein basis
But for the 1000th time, I'm not a track racer so my experience can only be applied to street cars and never track cars.
18psi, knowing that you spent some time on FM/Illumina, IIRC, how would you compare Teins and Xidas in comfort to them? I've been pretty happy with mine - in fact I was surprised by their composure over these moon-man roads today after spending 5 months in a land-yacht Concorde on Monroes - but I haven't experienced a Miata on anything but Illumina and stock.
Is there comfort Nirvana to be found on Xidas (maybe on 500ish spring rates) or Teins?
Is there comfort Nirvana to be found on Xidas (maybe on 500ish spring rates) or Teins?
Of course when it comes to performance, it's:
1) xida
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5) fm/tokico
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8) tein basis
But for the 1000th time, I'm not a track racer so my experience can only be applied to street cars and never track cars.
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04-28-2016, 05:26 PM
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Most people seem to revel at Xidas and based on peoples success in competitive events I can see why. From its birth from what 949 talks about it is a track set up with different spring rates available for different set ups ie tire and mainly what type of racing you do.
To me the FM Fox was set up and designed from birth to be the balance between street and track. Since I am going to drive it mainly on the street I want a set up that is geared more towards that. I feel as though the xida is a little more track dedicated yet tamable on the street.
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To me the FM Fox was set up and designed from birth to be the balance between street and track. Since I am going to drive it mainly on the street I want a set up that is geared more towards that. I feel as though the xida is a little more track dedicated yet tamable on the street.
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04-28-2016, 05:54 PM
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I daily drive a Formula 1 car, anything else is just too soft.
Quit being vaginas guythz
If you don't feel like you're getting molested by a buffalo, sweaty, armpit stains, half a 40 in the passenger seat, lit cigarette in the overfilled ashtray, hard rock blaring through the 1 working speaker that's zip tied to a full roll cage, aluminum seats with no padding, 90 point harnesses, and gutted doors with half-gutted dashboard on your morning commute
.......you are a VAGINA
Quit being vaginas guythz
If you don't feel like you're getting molested by a buffalo, sweaty, armpit stains, half a 40 in the passenger seat, lit cigarette in the overfilled ashtray, hard rock blaring through the 1 working speaker that's zip tied to a full roll cage, aluminum seats with no padding, 90 point harnesses, and gutted doors with half-gutted dashboard on your morning commute
.......you are a VAGINA
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04-28-2016, 05:56 PM
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I was just saying that it seems like quite a leap to conclude that buying Fox shocks instead of Xidas is a "really dumb decision."
It's important (for some applications) to note that the Fox setup uses 2.5" springs whereas the Xidas use 2.25" springs. I understand that the smaller spring allows for more clearance, such as if one would like to run 10" wheels, correct?
The Fox does seem like a really nice setup, and I'm sure you'll love them.
It's important (for some applications) to note that the Fox setup uses 2.5" springs whereas the Xidas use 2.25" springs. I understand that the smaller spring allows for more clearance, such as if one would like to run 10" wheels, correct?
The Fox does seem like a really nice setup, and I'm sure you'll love them.
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04-28-2016, 06:00 PM
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Now that he's clarified that its mostly a street car, maybe it's not as dumb of a decision.
But man, since the price is the same, I really can't imagine seeing them on the same level as xida. If they were much cheaper, then we'd have a case. I guess that's why I concluded "dumb decision".
If the fm/tokico combo was say, 1600-1800 dollhairs, I'd never recommend it to anyone. Even on a street car lol
But man, since the price is the same, I really can't imagine seeing them on the same level as xida. If they were much cheaper, then we'd have a case. I guess that's why I concluded "dumb decision".
If the fm/tokico combo was say, 1600-1800 dollhairs, I'd never recommend it to anyone. Even on a street car lol
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04-28-2016, 06:06 PM
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You can get the Xidas with a much lower rate spring if you like, and the dampening can work with it. On full soft (with 700/400 rates) the car rides pretty good but is slightly underdamped.
The Fox shocks claim 5" of stroke (doesn't specify if that's front or rear), to the Xida's rear travel of 4.13" (and 4.8" front travel). That's probably a slight benefit on the Fox, maybe? Dunno.
Anyway, truth is, we'll never actually know which one of these setups is BEST. Xidas, MCS, Fox, Ohlins... There likely won't ever be an objective, independent, apples-to-apples test. So pick the one you like best, and the company you most prefer to deal with.
The Fox shocks claim 5" of stroke (doesn't specify if that's front or rear), to the Xida's rear travel of 4.13" (and 4.8" front travel). That's probably a slight benefit on the Fox, maybe? Dunno.
Anyway, truth is, we'll never actually know which one of these setups is BEST. Xidas, MCS, Fox, Ohlins... There likely won't ever be an objective, independent, apples-to-apples test. So pick the one you like best, and the company you most prefer to deal with.
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04-28-2016, 06:11 PM
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You can get the Xidas with a much lower rate spring if you like, and the dampening can work with it. On full soft (with 700/400 rates) the car rides pretty good but is slightly underdamped.
The Fox shocks claim 5" of stroke (doesn't specify if that's front or rear), to the Xida's rear travel of 4.13" (and 4.8" front travel). That's probably a slight benefit on the Fox, maybe? Dunno.
Anyway, truth is, we'll never actually know which one of these setups is BEST. Xidas, MCS, Fox, Ohlins... There likely won't ever be an objective, independent, apples-to-apples test. So pick the one you like best, and the company you most prefer to deal with.
The Fox shocks claim 5" of stroke (doesn't specify if that's front or rear), to the Xida's rear travel of 4.13" (and 4.8" front travel). That's probably a slight benefit on the Fox, maybe? Dunno.
Anyway, truth is, we'll never actually know which one of these setups is BEST. Xidas, MCS, Fox, Ohlins... There likely won't ever be an objective, independent, apples-to-apples test. So pick the one you like best, and the company you most prefer to deal with.
My friend is an instructor at summit I asked him if he was willing to drive them he said yes.
So if I can get goodwin , and 949 to be on board they can use my car . I am willing for them to put a hold on my car for the suspension and who's avg the best times with the same spring rates I'll buy. I will also have video and full write ups.
I also want to test the ride quality with my accelerometer.
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04-28-2016, 06:43 PM
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Are there any advantages to the Fox suspension for a street car over Xidas at all? Say, with relatively soft (550/375) springs and a taller than stock ride height? I'm in a similar boat as OP and was pretty much set to on the the Fox because it sounded it would be more suitable given that the Xida was designed for track use with low ride heights and stiffer springs in mind.
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04-28-2016, 06:43 PM
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I was just saying that it seems like quite a leap to conclude that buying Fox shocks instead of Xidas is a "really dumb decision."
It's important (for some applications) to note that the Fox setup uses 2.5" springs whereas the Xidas use 2.25" springs. I understand that the smaller spring allows for more clearance, such as if one would like to run 10" wheels, correct?
The Fox does seem like a really nice setup, and I'm sure you'll love them.
It's important (for some applications) to note that the Fox setup uses 2.5" springs whereas the Xidas use 2.25" springs. I understand that the smaller spring allows for more clearance, such as if one would like to run 10" wheels, correct?
The Fox does seem like a really nice setup, and I'm sure you'll love them.
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04-28-2016, 06:46 PM
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Yeah, basically what Z31Maniac said. High-quality dampers will work well in all situations, and as long as damping range will handle the spring rates, you're good to go. From the Xida product page:
So, yes, if you put softer springs, the Xidas will make phenomenal street suspension. However, i ask the same question as apexaddict. I truly can't comprehend spending that kind of money on street suspension. I'd go for something that's decent quality but not race quality like Tein Flex Z or the like.
- Damping sweep for front 1000~450 springs, rear 600~250
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04-28-2016, 06:56 PM
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Yeah, basically what Z31Maniac said. High-quality dampers will work well in all situations, and as long as damping range will handle the spring rates, you're good to go. From the Xida product page:
[/list]So, yes, if you put softer springs, the Xidas will make phenomenal street suspension. However, i ask the same question as apexaddict. I truly can't comprehend spending that kind of money on street suspension. I'd go for something that's decent quality but not race quality like Tein Flex Z or the like.
[/list]So, yes, if you put softer springs, the Xidas will make phenomenal street suspension. However, i ask the same question as apexaddict. I truly can't comprehend spending that kind of money on street suspension. I'd go for something that's decent quality but not race quality like Tein Flex Z or the like.
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