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Old 11-16-2010, 05:33 PM   #101
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emilio? You up for this? I know your looking......
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i like this thread a ton more right now.
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Alright, let's take this a step further.

FatCat, do you want piece of this?

(Somebody let him know since I can't get on mnet....)
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I fully support the idea of building a set of these for Chris' 993 as the test mule.
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I fully support the idea of building a set of these for Chris' 993 as the test mule.
Or the trackspeed Rental Car
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Old 11-16-2010, 05:57 PM   #105
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Here is a thought.

I will rebuild a set of Xida's and put them up against anything out there.

If someone thinks they have the ****, or knows someone like that, now is the time to speak up.
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Anyone want to get something off their chest before I start cleaning?
Yeah....holy ****, when did they make you a moderator?!?
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Old 11-16-2010, 05:59 PM   #107
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Here is a thought.

I will rebuild a set of Xida's and put them up against anything out there.

If someone thinks they have the ****, or knows someone like that, now is the time to speak up.

And the best part, I've never even touched an AST shock.
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Old 11-16-2010, 06:02 PM   #108
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You'd lose that bet. The XIDAs are magical because they make big fat stupid road imperfections feel like stepping on a dime through a pillow. You can still feel what every tire is doing on the road, but nothing upsets the car. It is eerie how well those dampers work.
Some hooch runner in NC told me,

"One shock is no different from any other once the valving is right/matched. You can have a Bilstein feel like a Penske. You can make a Penske feel like an Ohlins, or any other one.

The advantages of an Xida, or any of the others, is that a particular company may have spent more time on the initial valving than the other, or one is valved high performance while the other is valved aggressive street. So, one shock may be valved for what you are looking for without changing anything. With some shocks you gain adjustments, but needing this depends on how much fine tuning you yourself will be doing over the initial valving. Also, the higher end shocks can generally be rebuilt by the customer if they choose, or if they change their setup.

A good shock guy doesn't wonder why one shock is different than the other. He knows, and is able to transfer this to any shock."


I'm betting on the moonshiner.
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Old 11-16-2010, 06:03 PM   #109
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Alright, let's take this a step further.

FatCat, do you want piece of this?

(Somebody let him know since I can't get on mnet....)
You mean you can't get on mnet like there's something wrong with your conputer, or because you've been BANNED?
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Old 11-16-2010, 06:05 PM   #110
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Here is a thought.

I will rebuild a set of Xida's and put them up against anything out there.

If someone thinks they have the ****, or knows someone like that, now is the time to speak up.
I think it'd be more interesting if you did your own Bilsteins rather than using Xida's and starting with their existing valving baseline. Know what I mean?
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Old 11-16-2010, 06:07 PM   #111
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Yeah, it's an odd approach.

If you can't beat them, build a wall.

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Old 11-16-2010, 06:07 PM   #112
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Here is a thought.

I will rebuild a set of Xida's and put them up against anything out there.

If someone thinks they have the ****, or knows someone like that, now is the time to speak up.
who's driving?
what track?
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Old 11-16-2010, 06:10 PM   #113
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All good questions. Let's see who is in the running first.

This is open to anyone.

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who's driving?
what track?
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Old 11-16-2010, 06:13 PM   #114
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You mean you can't get on mnet like there's something wrong with your conputer, or because you've been BANNED?
I believe he made this thread over there and it was locked.

Bernie's challenge is pretty cool. I'd love to see this go down.
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It was a challenge already in play. Since nobody wanted to take up for the Bilstein, I did.

This is nothing personal against Emilio. He welcomed me to his playground and I don't plan to **** in his sandbox. That is why I made the offer to use the Xida.

This is my way of proving that shocks are technical, not magic. It takes understanding what you are doing better than the next guy, not little magic beans in your pocket.


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I believe he made this thread over there and it was locked.

Bernie's challenge is pretty cool. I'd love to see this go down.
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Old 11-16-2010, 06:34 PM   #116
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Let me get this right.

You are betting that I can't build a set of yellow body, off the shelf worldpac special Bilstein's that can beat a set of Xida's?
In for results.

This makes me want to buy stuff from you. The results can decide that.
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Old 11-16-2010, 06:37 PM   #117
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I believe he made this thread over there and it was locked.

Bernie's challenge is pretty cool. I'd love to see this go down.
His thread was more than locked; it was "disappeared"; but Bernie's apparently making up for it here.
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I want to see:
Ricelands
Xidas
Bernie's Billys
and FCM's Billys

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Streets of Willow. That track will knock your grandma's dentures out.

In:
The TSE Rental Car

or William's ITE/Spec Miata
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I want to see:
Ricelands
Xidas
Bernie's Billys
and FCM's Billys

At:
Streets of Willow. That track will knock your grandma's dentures out.

In:
The TSE Rental Car

or William's ITE/Spec Miata

I'd like to see it on a national type autox course as well. I know there's some bigass lots in Cali that you can use!

Oh and one of the top contending CSP/STS, etc driving it, on the west coast too.
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Old 11-16-2010, 06:58 PM   #120
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I'm so in if this goes down in the Southeast
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