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Old 06-12-2017, 11:18 PM   #1
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We have been working on something new for a while. While we do not have an ETA or exact pricing yet, we thought it was time to at least let you all know about the work in progress.

The current NA/NB Xida are designed with shorter than OEM bodies to allow greater bump travel than OEM. Meaning a car with Xidas will allow it's wheels to travel much further upwards into the wheel well than an OEM length shock. This benefits compliance and improves grip when the car is much lower than OEM ride height.

We have always had a few customers desiring the great damping quality and bump absorption of the Xida but wanting to run a ride height closer to OEM, in the 5.25-6.25" pinch weld height range. There are also other applications that would be better served by a longer Xida.. so we created the Xida XL..The Xida XL is otherwise identical to the standard Xida. Same valving, same price, just longer. Xida XL stroke the same as OEM. This means that those wanting to run pinch weld heights under 5" will still want Xida, not Xida XL. Bump travel with Xida XL will be basically the same as OEM NB.

E Street
ES autocross where the length must be within 25mm of OEM, up to two damping adjustments allowed, OEM springs and mounts. We are producing billet lower spring perch adapters to fit OEM NA and NB springs. Those running and NA will need to drill the hole in their mounts out to 14mm to fit the Xida shaft. Double adjustable Xidas for E Street? Yeah that's gonna be cool. The single adjustable version will cost less of course.

Exocet
These cars have a modified version of Miata suspension geometry and really work best with a shock that is longer than our standard Xida.

Drop Spindles
There are not many NA/NB Miatas running around with drop spindles, but they also require a shock that is OEM length or longer.

Xida GS
This is the variant we are the most excited about. This is essentially a lower cost, single spec (non-customizeable) version of our standard Xida. The Xida GS, based on the longer Xida XL, will come with a standard racing spring in 550/350 rates, torrington bearings but no helpers. NB mounts only, pre assembled. If you already have NB mounts, now you have spares . The key cost savings comes from replacing the expensive pro level Hyperco springs with a standard quality (europe sourced) race springs. We expect the complete assembled Xida GS kit to sell for $1599. The legendary ride quality of the Xida actually gets better with a full 1" increase in rear stroke with translates to about 1.4" more droop travel.

Xida ACE
Yes folks, we will finally have fully sorted active suspension Xida ACE shocks for the NA/NB. The ACE internals just would not fit into the standard Xida without losing stroke. The Xida XL removes that constraint. The ultimate NA/NB ride quality is the province of the Xida. If you though regular race Xidas rode well with 800/500, your jaw will drop when you ride in an 550/350 ACE equipped car down a lumpy pock marked road. Other worldly control and absorption (and goofy fun besides).

ACE can be used on the following applications:

Street or track cars with ride heights above 5" pinch weld
Exocet
Drop spindle cars
Autocross cars where class rules allow active suspension.

When!!!?
What!!??!
How Much??!!


We are still in R&D phase, not taking orders just yet. Best guess is shipping mid August. If all goes as planned, we should have at least on E Street car on them at Solo Nationals in September.

Contact us at [email protected] to learn more.

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Are these the replacement for the Tecna's you mentioned a while back? I will be shooting you an email sometime soon. I will be looking to get at least one set of these new shocks. Not sure if the XL or the GS.
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If we used those with extended tophats, wouldn't hey almost serve as a standard Xida replacement? Like a dual-purpose shock? Normal tophats- road driving and E-street. Extended tophat- racing.
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Tecnas are not damping adjustable, still in development and will cost little more than half of what Xidas cost.

Extended top mounts do not make a shock longer. They just relocate it. There is no way around it, if you are going to run really low ride heights you need Xidas. If you were going to run ride heights above 5.25" on 550/350 or softer you want Xida XL.

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Tecnas are not damping adjustable, are still in development and will cost a bit more than half of what Xidas cost.

Extended top mounts do not make a shock longer. They just relocate it. There is no way around it, if you are going to run really low ride heights you need Xidas. If you were going to run ride heights above 5.25" on 550/350 or softer you want Xida XL.
Sounds great because I need to save money on my part-time HPDE car to put more money into my SuperMiata2 build.
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Unless you drop the big coin, and go with the drop spindles. Long shocks, lower ride height. Not for the low budget, but if you are looking to the active suspension (ACE) I have to think budget is relative.
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ACE and drop spindles
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ACE and drop spindles
Thats what Taxi is getting. Glory shall ensue.
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Doh, I just bought regular Xida with 700/400 and helpers and have them cranked all the way up. Stick at 4.75" front or so when I was shooting for 5-5.25. Oh well. Still love them and the ride thougb.

Hmmm... FM lift kit, Xida XL and some gnarly sbow tires?
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949 Racing Rallycross team?
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We have joked about the idea of taking a Craiglist beater out to the SoCal Rallycross event for years. A set of Xida XL, 10" springs with no sway bars and some skinny all seasons and welded diff would be a hoot.
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YESSSS!!!!

DOOO ITTTT!
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Send PayPal donations and worthy Craigslist candidates to [email protected].

Kidding, please don't send me Craigslist junk.
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We have joked about the idea of taking a Craiglist beater out to the SoCal Rallycross event for years. A set of Xida XL, 10" springs with no sway bars and some skinny all seasons and welded diff would be a hoot.
I support this idea for the fun of it.
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Are piggyback canisters on the standard length (short) rear Xidas something that could happen? I remember this being mentioned as a potential improvement to the shorter shock length constraints / higher gas pressure required.

I know tractive do make with them, no idea if their solutions would work with the miata packaging constraints though.

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Triple adjustable NA/NB Xidas are on the website and have been for several years.
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Gotcha, but I meant for less gas pressure ramp during compression i.e. no hoses / not remotely mounted. Canister mounted via solid alloy passage for oil that won't flex/cause hysteresis.
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The hose causes no meaningful hysteresis. If you are concerned with a small amount of hysteresis in the rear of the standard Xida, then you are more concerned than we are about it The shock works exceptionally well as is. So I understand your question but have no plans to build such a variant. Triples are your answer.
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