One thing I looked up again. If you look at the wheel clearance envelopes for the different brake kits in the PDF’s on the willwood site.

An 11.75” Dynalite kit requires 13.96” Id on the wheel by the caliper to clear.

An 11.75” Radial mount Dynapro kit requires only 13.44” Id on the wheel to clear.

I know there are some wheels that will clear the Dynapro and not the Dynalite when used with an 11.75” rotor. Kosi K1’s I know for sure. I wedged a bolt kicked up off the track at Laguna between the caliper and rim and nearly sawed a 949 wheel in two so I know it is tight. I am now thinking the Dynalight will be dam tight compared to my Radial Dynapro setup.

The Radial Dynapro calipers fit tighter to the rotor in the radial direction allowing bigger rotors to be stuffed in smaller wheels. They are likely to have less spoke clearance because they use thicker pads though.

Bob

Read this on m.net, saw how there's only 6mm of clearance to the spokes of a 6UL.

Has anyone contacted Emillio about the deflection his models had when subjected to forces? I'm not saying the spokes do or don't deflect 6mm, but I'd think it'd be topical to clearance issues such as this.

Actually... I'll send him an email, see what he thinks.

It's not looking good for my 1st gen 6UL's...

Got a response back, apparently he's up yet... 4mm of clearance to brake components. Easy info.

I'm going to mail you a set of 12.19" rotors and a bulletcam so we can all watch the nervous breakdown you have when it doesnt clear your 15x9s. :hustler:

Edit: radial mount caliper discussion has been moved to another thread as per sav's request, I think I got everything.

Well after that tid-bit, do we need to know who's still in for the lug mount brackets? I am still gtg. I have a set of K1s and will likely go with the dynapros - they're also on 20mm spacers which may/maynot buy me some clearance.

My assumption is that anyone on the list in the first post is still looking to purchase the kit discussed in the first post.

I have a set of et36 K1's with 20mm spacers on my car right now It will be very close. 20 mm isn’t enough to get my caliper away from the drop section on the wheel with the Dynapro radials that I have but they fit because the calipers fit in a smaller radial space. The other calipers take up more room in the radial direction but are a bit narrower so it might just clear as the corner of the caliper has a radius to it that might end up on the sloped part of the drop as long as you are using thick wheel spacers.

But then again I don't know which hats Savignton is using they could have a different offset. The Mini hats have about as much offset pushing the rotors towards the knuckle as will work without hitting the tie rod ends. I think there was about 3mm clearance there. If the mini hats had Miata center bore size they would be perfect.

Bob

Sav I may be jumping ship here to the radial setup. I think that is what I really want.

Sorry Savington for creating such a train wreck here. I’m just trying to freely give information not harm business.

Bob

I'm sure he's not butt-burt, he's been around here too long for it to hurt anymore :) Me on the other hand - I tremble in the presence of the Miata Gods :bowdown:

What's the time-line looking like should you feel we have enough people (with $$), Sav?

Ideally, late January. We definitely have enough people. :)

I have no problem with info, Bob. :) I'm deadset on the Dynalites because I already own a set, as do 80% of the people in the group buy - it started as a pet project for my car, and it evolved into an upgrade for our current 11" kit, or any other kit with Dynalites - I never intended to sell it as a standalone kit, just as an upgrade.

It would take me a long time to make up the cost of radial Dynapros ($400) in pad life (50% pad life increase = $30 discount per set, 13 sets of pads, 5 track days a set, 60 track days), so I'm just not interested in switching calipers at this point.

OK good, glad I'm not causing a hassle.

THAT would be perfect timing as track days start picking up around march... Just let us know when you need the funds!

I'm interested.

The 11.75x.81 size rotor 'babk' has been used on the fwd sr20 cars for almost a decade with great success. There is a proven list of wheels that fit which might be a good starting point for the miata fitment with the same brake setup. Here it is:

11.75" List
Team Dynamics Pro Race 1 15x7 +30
Team Dynamics Pro Race 1.2 15x7 +30 and +35
Volk TE37 15x7 +35
ATS Comp Lite 15x7 +35
949 Racing 6UL 15x8 +36 with a 5 mm spacer

11.00" List
Rota C8
Rota Grid
Rota Subzero
Kosei K1
949 Racing 6UL 15x8 +36
Enkei RP02 15x7 +35

Black flag list (those already tried and guaranteed to not fit)
Enkei RPF1 15x7 +35
Rota Slipstream 15x6.5 +40
Rota GT3 15x7 +40
Rota AutoX 15x6.5 +40
Rota RB 15x8 +35 (probably the 15X7 too)

Guys, please keep any discussion of the radial-mount calipers in the other thread. I don't want people reading this thread to get confused about wheel clearance or other issues. I will have a rotor/hat next week and I will check wheel fitment on several different wheels then, but until that happens any discussion of wheel clearance is just guesswork.

Can a mod please move all of the radial mout discussion to the radial mount thread? Thank you.

Update, R&D rotor arrived today. 15x9 +36 6UL clearance confirmed with SIGNIFICANTLY more spoke clearance than our old Corrado setup. Bolting up to a 15x8 +36 in a moment.

e: 15x8 +36 clearance confirmed. 15x8 +40 guys, it's going to be really tight. Plenty of spoke clearance but the bell of the wheel will be very close to the caliper, too close for my comfort. It's probably possible but I'd prefer to see a ~4mm spacer being used. I will try and get a real +40 wheel in my hands to check clearance.

Very nice. Count me in then.

:bigtu: Sweeettt.....

I have old ET40's and a 5mm spacer when the time comes.

Will the hats to use with the bracket be 4x3.93 bolt pattern 8x7 rotor bolt pattern and 3.06in (77mm) inner diameter?

I looked around through the wilwood website and couldn't find a 8x7 with inner diameter of more than 2.53in (64.3mm). There's the 6x6.25 hat in the 11" miata kit, but no 11.75" rotor for that and a 8x7 rotor was linked on summit in the first post. Is wilwood (or someone else) making a new hat?

edit: nevermind, I don't know my own car's center bore.

Post of the year.

How's it looking Sav?

Been busy moving into our new shop. Once I have a quote back from the machinist I will let everyone know.

"You fuck with my money, you fuck with my life."

It's nice to hear that you scored a new shop/growhouse.

I'll post some more photos, we are still getting it set up. More than double the space we used to have, not including the 600sq.ft mezzanine above the main shop.

Hurry up. I checked my bearings yesterday and the grease is all burnt from extreme brake heat.

I may be in, I have a line on some Wilwood calipers...need to find out details on them.

Got word back from the machinist - product will ship the 2nd week of February.

Group Buy price is $149, this price is good through January 31st. The price will jump to $199 on February 1st. $50 deposit is due to reserve group-buy pricing, the remainder is due before everything ships out. If you don't get a PM from me and you want to join in on the fun, email info at trackspeed engineering dot com for details, or send a $50 Paypal to that same address with "Wilwood 11.75" Group Buy" in the comments.

If you are ordering calipers/pads/rotors/hats through us as well, contact me for an updated price total. 25% deposit is due before Jan31, balance due before shipping.

Group Buy Pricing for package deals is as follows:

Brackets only - $149, $49 deposit due
-TSE brackets only, no hardware

Brackets + Rotors - $499, $125 deposit due <-- Upgrade package for our current BBK customers
-TSE brackets
-Wilwood rotors (rings, hats, and hardware)

Brackets, Calipers, Lines, and hardware - $499, $125 deposit due
-TSE brackets
-TSE hardware and lines
-Wilwood Dynalite calipers

Full Kit - $839, $205 deposit due
-TSE brackets
-TSE hardware and lines
-Wilwood Dynalite calipers
-Wilwood rotors (rings, hats, and hardware)

Full Kit w/ pads - $899, $225 deposit due
-All of the above, plus..
-One set of Hawk DTC-70 or Hawk HP+ brake pads

If I have quoted you a higher figure in PM, ignore it. :)

Deposits are nonrefundable. Group buy pricing will apply through January 31st, at which point all prices will go up by at least $50-100. Send deposits to info at trackspeed engineering dot com. Be sure to include what package you are purchasing as well as a shipping address.

Paid, bitches.

I didn't know Sav took head as payment Hustler - go ahead and pay for mine too while you're there :) Payday's coming up, will have the fundage in a couple days

So... I take from my post disappearing that there won't be a parts list available to make these brackets work without buying everything from TSE?

It was an incorrect parts list and having it in the thread just causes confusion so it was removed.

That's fine but can we get a correct parts list then?

This would be greatly appreciated since we can purchase the brackets by themselves.

Sure.

Calipers - 120-6806 - $250/pair retail
Hats - 170-10200 - $250/pair retail
Rotors - 160-0471 - $62/pair retail
Hardware - 230-8390 - $28/pair retail
Brackets - TSE - $149/pair GB Price
Brake lines - TSE - comparable parts approx. $80 retail (stainles steel, plastic sheathed, the good stuff)
Bracket hardware - TSE - ~$20 retail

~840 retail (MSRP is higher, these are the best prices I could find online), or buy it from us for the same price and save the hassle of multiple orders, multiple shipping charges, etc, etc. Plus, you're supporting a company that's doing continued R&D to make sure you guys have high-quality parts available to you. ;)

I didn't mean to silence you or prevent you from ordering elsewhere, njn - I was worried that others might get confused and order the wrong parts.

No worries. It wasn't that I wanted to buy stuff elsewhere, I just don't plan on going to big brakes this year but wanted to get in on the groupbuy for the brackets because this looks like the best possible brake setup for me. :bigtu: I didn't want to have the brackets and not have the info to complete the setup later.

Thanks for the list. I'll be sending you a deposit soon.

Thanks for working on this kit.

I'm in for the whole kit plus a spare set of rotors, minus the Hawks - I rather have XP12s

Oh yeah, I'll need an extra set of rotors too. Put me down for that, on the books. 4 friction rings for the hustler.

Extra rotors are $62/set, so $901 for a full kit w/ lines etc. or $561 for the upgrade kit.

Gotcha. You have PM with a specific price for that.

For everyone else, the full kit with Carbotech XP12s is $1003+shipping.

in for full kit! paid

Sav, interested in your wheel datapoints - both confirmed fit and also confirmed no fit. I'm planning 6ul's as primary but would like an alternate set of cheap wheels with streets.

Thanks for putting this all together :kowtow:

In, deposit sent.

mine too... :bigtu:

Awesome, guys. Thanks. :) We are still on target for delivery in the 3rd week of February.

Interested to see the final product... and see them behind an XXR 002.... since thats what i have :$

Deposit sent, I hope you got my PMs...

In for full kit, PM'd you Sav.

EDIT - paid deposit for kit w/ pads.

If someone could point me toward a set of sport rears to convert my 1.6 rears I'd appreciate it!

What offset hat is this bracket being made for?

We went with .75 to balance the rotor/caliper between the tie rod balljoint and the wheel.

Gah! Stop talking about rotor offset and add my name to the list!! I need proof to show how baller I am. 11.75" of balls.

It's out of the edit window, ask the king of pink to do it. :rofl:

Oh.

I put myself and koto on the list for you.

What's the full price of the kit I'd like? Calipers and rotors will be bought be friends and family for my birfday. Cannot wait.

Josh, you have PM.

Just a reminder to everyone on the fence - you only have until January 31st to qualify for group buy pricing.

Got it, thanks! Just PM me if you want anyone else on the 1st page list.