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15x8 6UL gen 4 released
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Now accepting pre-paid orders for the late October 2014 15x8 6UL shipment. Visit the website to place order, see or get a shipping quote.
Low pressure cast, T6 heat treated, flow formed monoblock construction +36 offset 11.4 lbs 4x100 67.1mm center bore 550kg max load rated Cap included, color same as wheel Silver with machined lip http://949racing.com/images/products...x8_6UL_G4.jpg? http://949racing.com/images/products...ickel_web.jpg? http://949racing.com/images/products...rcoal_web.jpg? http://949racing.com/images/products...gsten_web.jpg? http://949racing.com/images/products...ronze_web.jpg? |
Flow forming
Cool videos showing the flow forming proccess. These videos are not from our factory but the idea is the same.
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maybe I'm missing something, but didn't you specifically say that the next 6UL will be forged?
I can find that post if need be. I think it was in the discussion about china wheels. |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1152920)
maybe I'm missing something, but didn't you specifically say that the next 6UL will be forged?
I can find that post if need be. I think it was in the discussion about china wheels. Most of the industry has adopted BBS "flow formed" nomenclature for this process. Also known as: spun forged rotary forged flow formed Technically, rotary forging is a bit different than flow forming as the blank and drawing process are done more or less at the same time. |
I think I misunderstood your previous post. My mistake.
https://www.miataturbo.net/wheels-ti...2/#post1118437
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1118437)
Gen 4 6UL's wil have rotary forged rims and probably cost less than gen 3's, be significantly lighter and have a load rating 10% over industry standard. We'll call that standard spec949. Catchy? We are hoping to have 15x8's and 9's towards the end of this year. Far too early to take orders, estimate ship dates or provide any specific technical details. Yes, it will look the same save for a few detail difference from the diet the wheel is being put on.
On one hand, I'm flattered that an entire cottage industry has popped up around the unique fitments I pioneered 6 years ago. OTOH, it sucks that I have to battle for market share with other companies using my innovations. What's cool now is that rotary forging has become so affordable that I can add that neat tech and not need to raise the price on the wheel. Many more sizes on the horizon. Not one of which I will announce before we have tooling ready and certification complete. Learned my lesson after having every single fitment I have done copied by at least two other wheel companies, some before I even got mine into production. doh The only weapon I have to combat this relentless copying of unprotectable information is to continue to innovate faster than it can be copied. So that's what I'll do. |
Very nice, I love the charcoal color. Will stay tuned for 15x10 release.
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Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1152934)
I think I misunderstood your previous post. My mistake.
I guess "rotary forged" is not the forged I was thinking of. |
:giggle: Props for that.
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You should get some stickers made that says (rotary) FORGED and 'LIOS, put them on the 15x8s, and sell them for $100 more a wheel.
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Emilio,
Do you have any full wheel pictures of the other colours, particularly tungsten and bronze please? I will be ordering though your UK distributor, MOT motorsport, but I am finding it hard to visualise the wheels in the other colours. The bronze looks gloss in the picture in your first post, rather than the matte finish in the previous generation. Thank you, Martin. |
Originally Posted by MJJ_ZX6RR
(Post 1153372)
Emilio,
Do you have any full wheel pictures of the other colours, particularly tungsten and bronze please? I will be ordering though your UK distributor, MOT motorsport, but I am finding it hard to visualise the wheels in the other colours. The bronze looks gloss in the picture in your first post, rather than the matte finish in the previous generation. Thank you, Martin. |
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1153441)
Nope. When we do, we will publish them. Until then, you will need to use your imagination.
https://www.keyshot.com/ |
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1152972)
It's easy to be confused by that. It's why we decided to stick with "flow formed" to describe the process and stop mentioning "forged" anything. I don't want to be lumped in with the likes of the Konig cast copy of a die forged RAYS Volk CE28N that has "FORGED" and "RAVS" stamped on it.
They were "forged" alright. RAVS ENGINEERING. |
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1153441)
you will need to use your imagination.
I imagine the tungstens are going to look great and be a really popular choice, but my imagination isn't as good as I'd like so I still went with the bronze/gold like I'd been originally planning. There's nothing classier than gold wheels on a red car. I'll probably have to change them out when I repaint it white and pink like a barbie car but that's a problem for future me. |
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1152643)
Now accepting pre-paid orders for the late October 2014 15x8 6UL shipment. Visit the website to place order ... |
Tungsten
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I'm regretting going for the bronze now
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1158145)
-Zach |
Originally Posted by PetrolPiglet
(Post 1158149)
I'm regretting going for the bronze now
Lemme know? |
I went with charcoal,this runs bronze looked a bit too gold for me. However tungsten came out looking great. Can't wait to get these bad boys,running around on stock wheels is getting old.
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I got tungsten myself. Hurry up OCTOBER!!!
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What is the country of origin for the 6UL wheel line?
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Originally Posted by noname4me
(Post 1164682)
What is the country of origin for the 6UL wheel line?
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When are the non-meltable center caps being released?
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1410537227 |
Originally Posted by scenturion
(Post 1166665)
When are the non-meltable center caps being released?
My guess, is that no 6UL customer is interested in paying $50/set+ for metal caps. Just pop them out when you go to the track like you would with any other plastic cap. |
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1164900)
People's Republic of China
My trans is from mexico. i like tacos and crazy chicas so that's alright. |
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1166688)
No plans for metal caps. I think Enkei was the last wheel company making 15's with optional metal caps but those were discontinued a few years ago. The metal Enkei caps for the 16 & 17 are $24 each wholesale distributor cost.
My guess, is that no 6UL customer is interested in paying $50/set+ for metal caps. Just pop them out when you go to the track like you would with any other plastic cap. I just forgot to take them out :party: |
And our phones, wheels on our daily driver and truck, TV etc are from China. The few companies with production facilities in the US were note interested in making our wheels. I tried, believe me. Japan is more expensive then US by quite a bit. Plenty of world class product coming out of China. One just needs on-site process control and complete ownership of the tooling, which we have now.
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1166710)
...Plenty of world class product coming out of China...
Emilio, common now. you can say you got to hit a price, and you do. nothing wrong with that. the miata market is very competitive. But come with me to an IMSA race. you won't find any products made in china... other than a pit bike, or a tv. I know you're not charging CCW prices here so i can let it slide. |
Originally Posted by OGRacing
(Post 1166726)
Emilio, common now.
you can say you got to hit a price, and you do. nothing wrong with that. the miata market is very competitive. But come with me to an IMSA race. you won't find any products made in china... other than a pit bike, or a tv. I know you're not charging CCW prices here so i can let it slide. Just the same, we use plastic caps because they are cost effective. We make our wheels in China because it's cost effective and allows us to bring a top quality wheel to market and a price that folks are willing to pay. AMG makes wheels in China. The OEM forged wheels on my trusty Dodge Cummmins 2500 were designed by the same company that made the gen 2 6UL's, in China. I delayed production for an entire year trying to get the wheels made here. The reality is that China is by far, the worlds largest wheel producer and we can make great, affordable wheels there. Hackneyed stereotypes notwithstanding. |
I for one am glad that 6uls are affordable
It would be really cool if there was a factory on mars and these were assembled by the rover, but I couldn't afford to stick them on my car if that was the case. Is it a new thing and 6uls were not produced in china before? I don't even see why people are bringing this up as an issue. |
Nobody is really bringing it up as an issue, its just a question.
How anyone could expect a different answer than China when we are talking about a wheel like the 6UL at the price it sells for us beyond me. No other way to get it there or even close. |
Because people can't bitch about how much they weigh or how well they fit. XD
But srsly, the most important line is this right here: One just needs on-site process control and complete ownership of the tooling, |
It may surprise (or not surprise) people that VW DSG boxes are made in China.
However I would eat my car's interior before buying one. |
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1166710)
One just needs on-site process control and complete ownership of the tooling, which we have now.
My former employer, Harris, very slowly dipped its feet into the world of Chinese manufacturing for certain subassemblies around 2010, after roughly a hundred years of building everything in the US. As Harris has a Chinese subsidiary, and was able to fully own the process, the results were quite good. Consistency of build quality was, in some ways, better than what I'd been accustomed to at our factory in Illinois.
Originally Posted by bootz
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It may surprise (or not surprise) people that VW DSG boxes are made in China.
However I would eat my car's interior before buying one. |
Sorry for derailing the thread with my question about manufacturing location for the wheels... The quality of the final product is what matters the most, along with price point. I would be upset if someone charged 'Made in the USA' prices for a product and advertised it as such, only to find out that the product is actually made it China. That isn't the case with 949 Racing, so no issue that I can see.
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Charcoal
Renamed the black to Charcoal. More satin level gloss now, not as matte.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...2e34c59c94aa20 |
:drool:
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Bronze
You know, I have never been a fan of bronze on my own cars. I set this sample wheel next to Deviate (orange) and it has me thinking hard about the combo.
https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/...0014563_o.jpg? |
Cant decide whether I should run 15x8 or 15x9 for a track set. The tungsten color would look insanely great on my miata. The Konig's I have, have taken quite a beating, might need to upgrade to these soon :cool:
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Any distributors in Canada? Or a kidney in exchange for shipping will be required? Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Godzilla
(Post 1170142)
Any distributors in Canada? Or a kidney in exchange for shipping will be required? Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Godzilla
(Post 1170142)
Any distributors in Canada? Or a kidney in exchange for shipping will be required? Thanks!
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Originally Posted by PaCHeKo!
(Post 1170934)
How far are you from the US border? Just ship them to a fowarding business in the US near the border and pick them up. Here's what I use since I'm in Montreal : Freeport Forwarding
Just have to decide on 15x8 or 15x9 now. The only tire size of semi-slicks that is really available for us is 225/45/15, for which 8" width would be perfect. 9" might be way too wide for that size and is not recommended. However I will use A6 slicks in the future as well in 245/40/15, which should work perfectly with a 9" width rim. 9" rim with the same offset also gives a wider stance. Any input would be much appreciated guys! |
225/45 are fine on 15x9s. Especially for race tires, which usually run wider than street tires. Infact, they will work better due to the sidewall tensioning from the slight stretch. You could even put most 205/50s on 15x9s without problems.
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Originally Posted by Godzilla
(Post 1170942)
This is a great idea - thanks! I live in Toronto, about an hour drive to Buffalo.
Just have to decide on 15x8 or 15x9 now. The only tire size of semi-slicks that is really available for us is 225/45/15, for which 8" width would be perfect. 9" might be way too wide for that size and is not recommended. However I will use A6 slicks in the future as well in 245/40/15, which should work perfectly with a 9" width rim. 9" rim with the same offset also gives a wider stance. Any input would be much appreciated guys! Wheel should be either the same or slightly wider than the actual tread width (not casing width). 205 fastest on 8. Hoosier 205 on 9. 225 fastest on 9. 245 fastest on 10 275 fastest on 11 Not conjecture but time proven competition results. |
Any word on the pre-order for the 15x9 date by chance, Money in hand.....need a second set for my 10ae :)
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Originally Posted by Cutler
(Post 1172657)
Any word on the pre-order for the 15x9 date by chance, Money in hand.....need a second set for my 10ae :)
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Everything still on track for October delivery of the 15x8s?
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Hope so! But realistically they aren't being put on my car until next spring anyhow.
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I'm in florida so I'm hoping to get a a month or maybe 2 out of them before the steelies with all seasons go back on for the "winter"
It'd be more sensible to wait until mid february when it starts warming up to stick them on in the first place but who has the patience for that? |
Originally Posted by PetrolPiglet
(Post 1172986)
I'm in florida so I'm hoping to get a a month or maybe 2 out of them before the steelies with all seasons go back on
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Not sure where in Florida you are (I used to live on the gulf coast, and realize that it does occasionally get "cold" there), but when I lived in SoCal, I ran RE01s and R1Rs all year round, down to the upper 40s in the dead of winter.
So long as it doesn't actually freeze where you are, I'd second the recommendation to not bother with all-seasons and steelies. That having been said, I'm about to purchase a set of Michelin xIce 3s for my heavy-ass 16" waffle wheels. |
Final production sample on nickel
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...3608af15a7eeac Left to Right: Bronze - Silver (machined lip) - Nickel - Tungsten - Charcoal https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...4aaad9bb0edee2 |
So for everyone that got in on the Pre-Orders, when can we expect them to ship? I ordered mine from one of the authorized vendors.
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Originally Posted by mrmonk7663
(Post 1178476)
So for everyone that got in on the Pre-Orders, when can we expect them to ship? I ordered mine from one of the authorized vendors.
Follow the link. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0ID0AU20141024?irpc=932 |
Emilio, have you had the opportunity to weigh final production of 15x8 6uls? Did they meet the pre-production weight of 11.4 lbs?
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When will valves be back in stock?
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Originally Posted by hox
(Post 1179201)
Emilio, have you had the opportunity to weigh final production of 15x8 6uls? Did they meet the pre-production weight of 11.4 lbs?
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1178493)
Unknown. Best guess late November.
Follow the link. Port squeeze threatens U.S. retailers' holiday stocking plans UNDISCLOSED (MiataTurbo) - A shortage of transportation equipment and possible labor disruptions at the Los Angeles/Long Beach port complex, the nation's busiest, is delaying shipping containers for up to three weeks, threatening timely delivery to automotive racing suppliers for the winter racecar preparation season. The delays are affecting retailers including 949 Racing (RACE), Flyin' Miata (FM), Trackspeed Engineering (TSE), and Singular Motorsports (MOTOR), according to three people with direct knowledge of the situation. National TT winning team 949 Racing (RACE), recently diverted 300 shipment containers full of the new-to-market SuperMiata Race Radiators and the infamous 6UL wheels to Oakland to avoid the congestion, one person said. 949 Racing helpfully advised anxious customers of the delay. The problem stems from a shortage of trucking equipment, called chassis, but the National Racing Federation in a statement said protracted labor negotiations were an issue, too. The International Longshore and Warehouse Union declined comment on whether talks were having an effect. Most retailers acknowledged the delays at the key ports for shipments from Asia, but said they did not anticipate product shortages during the racecar building season. Even so, any delay can derail even the most well prepaired and planned racecar build plans, making it dangerous for racers opting to re-use worn out parts in an attempt finish builds in time for qualification. "It's a domino effect," said Emilio Cervantes*, Flat Out President at the American Flat Out Racing Association. "When racers cannot race, things degenerate quickly." With major port contracts up for renewal this year, racing suppliers including Trackspeed Engineering ordered early and prompted a surge of deliveries in June and July, port statistics show. But significant volume still arrived during the traditional August-October period that precedes the November-January racecar building season. "There will be a scramble to rebuild racecars this season," said Andrew Kidd, Flat Out President of the Sunnyvale Flat Out Racing Association. "The delays are running into two to three weeks." Cargo containers typically take two to three days to move out of the port. *lies and also more lies |
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