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Old 08-28-2018, 10:51 AM
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Lower pressures allow more sidewall flex, which in turn heats up the tire carcass (think of the Ford Explorer/Firestone debacle, where underinflation caused heat-related tread separation).

Unrelated question: The RS-4 is directional. Anyone have any issues running them on the wrong side? Our track is mostly right-hand turns, so my preferred rotation pattern is a diagonal swap (LF to RR, RF to LR). Obviously this would only be used on dry days, as it would affect water dispersion. Just wondering if there are any other considerations, like directional belts that might make for interesting handling if run the wrong way.
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A friend of mine did it and said it was fine. Dunno in the rain but at least in dry conditions it's not an issue.
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Old 08-29-2018, 02:07 PM
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Just remember to put them back on the right way before the drove home
I was pleasantly surprised by these on autocross compared to the rivals. They didn't take as long to heat up as the rs3 and felt nearly there to the rivals.
I'll keep messing with the pressures for autox, over 32 psi an 8" rim was down on grip. I will try lower next time per all of the great feedback on this thread. My friend borrowed my car for a run and locked up the fronts, which sent the front pressures thru the roof. .
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Old 09-08-2018, 05:19 PM
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Just got my Hankook RS-4 245/40-15 and am like a kid at Christmas I'm so excited. 15x9 Konig Dekagram wheels arrived from Goodwin racing a couple days ago so will have them mounted tomorrow. The bad news is that the will go on a NB with no motor yet but it will give me the drive to push harder for the LFX conversion that is underway!
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Old 09-09-2018, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by csdilligaf View Post
Just got my Hankook RS-4 245/40-15 and am like a kid at Christmas I'm so excited. 15x9 Konig Dekagram wheels arrived from Goodwin racing a couple days ago so will have them mounted tomorrow. The bad news is that the will go on a NB with no motor yet but it will give me the drive to push harder for the LFX conversion that is underway!
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Old 09-29-2018, 12:01 AM
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...but I can confirm the are lacking in grip while cold (especially when wet).
Had another track day today. Was supposed to be cool (6C) and overcast and ended up being cool and rainy. I completely concur that the RS4 is not a brilliant rain tire. Traction was severely limited and, worse yet, the feel is not at all confidence-inspiring. The window between some traction and none whatsoever is alarmingly small. Great for learning car control but certainly not great for keeping up with other cars on the track. I still have pretty much full tread depth, so it's not a water dispersion issue, just a compound that doesn't play nicely in cold temps. I may have to spring for some RA-1 tires for my 8" wheels next season, for when it rains here in the Spring and Fall.
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Old 09-29-2018, 02:02 PM
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I can partially confirm what DeerHunter said. I don't track mine but the RS4 don't like temp below 60 degrees. Above 60 they do great. Grip on the 245/40 is only slightly more than the BFG rivals 225/45. I would imagine that on engine swapped or turboed the RS4s would not make me a happy camper. But for now being all motor and only about 130 whp they are fine. I can still oversteer but very controllable. Once I up my power level I will be switching to Rivals at 245/40.
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Old 09-29-2018, 02:15 PM
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In an auto-x setting the 225 rival is quite a bit faster than the 245 rs4. Miata's train you to be heavy footed since there is no penalty for getting into it too much. With any tire and more power you're going to have to learn to roll into the throttle as grip allows rather than just slapping the pedal to the floor.

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Old 10-01-2018, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by DeerHunter View Post
Had another track day today. Was supposed to be cool (6C) and overcast and ended up being cool and rainy. I completely concur that the RS4 is not a brilliant rain tire. Traction was severely limited and, worse yet, the feel is not at all confidence-inspiring. The window between some traction and none whatsoever is alarmingly small. Great for learning car control but certainly not great for keeping up with other cars on the track. I still have pretty much full tread depth, so it's not a water dispersion issue, just a compound that doesn't play nicely in cold temps. I may have to spring for some RA-1 tires for my 8" wheels next season, for when it rains here in the Spring and Fall.
Yep. I nearly spun on rain-soaked out lap, behind the pace car, on RS4s in my friends WRL Miata.
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Old 10-01-2018, 02:24 PM
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Just drove to work on the RS4 in the wet (60F temps) today. I'm nearing the end of their usable life, but can easily still confirm that this tire has very very little window between traction and no traction. I can easily get the car to kick out sideways whenever I want with just a blip of the gas pedal on 1st or 2nd in the wet and I'm just a bone stock BP4W powertrain. At least on my setup, it is very easy to push too hard and have the front tires completely give up traction and the car pushes, or the back end completely gives up traction and you're are drifting. I haven't found a rhyme or reason to what dictates when the front or rear will give which makes it very unpredictable.

Typically for AutoX with my other Miata buddies on 205 RE71's I'm running 1.5-2 seconds faster than them in the dry, warm temperature days. On the wet event we did not long ago, I was running 5-6 seconds slower than them. Tires are the only reason I can figure for the huge time swing. We even switched drivers and the car was the difference as our times in the same car were not far off. I now refuse to even take my car to a wet event with these tires as it just isn't even fun. I'd rather co-drive on a better set of rubber. Moral of the story, RS4 in wet cold conditions are a bit scary.
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Now that it's been a minute, does anyone have any life estimates for a street driven tire?

Either 225 or 245s on 9s. Might be an autocross or two thrown in here or there but nothing crazy.
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Old 06-14-2019, 11:23 AM
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I have 245's on 9's and this is the second season with them on - street driven in the spring/summer/fall, put away for the winter. Not a whole lot of miles on them total, probably less than 3K miles, but they've got plenty of tread left. Last year I did about 4-5 HPDE's and 1 or 2 AX's in addition to the street miles.

I could probably get away with a lot more street miles, but I think these have been cycled to death for the track miles - they're starting to feel a bit greasy under hard braking and I can break them away easily coming out of corners.

Life estimates; 10-15K street only, 2 HPDE seasons max depending on how aggressive you are.
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Running 225's on 9's, we have close to 28hrs of track time on them, still >50% tread depth left. Coming from running nothing but Hoosiers the last three years its amazing how long these things are lasting. This is on a mostly stock powered NB2
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Old 06-17-2019, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by dc2696 View Post
Running 225's on 9's, we have close to 28hrs of track time on them, still >50% tread depth left. Coming from running nothing but Hoosiers the last three years its amazing how long these things are lasting. This is on a mostly stock powered NB2
That's pretty phenomenal. I would expect similar ish from a mildly driven turbo miata on the street. I'm not planning on doing burnouts every other light lol.
This is great info. These really seem to be delivering!
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