Rant, Anti-Romney
10-10-2012, 12:51 AM
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Sorry I don't watch Fox news. I study History and look to find truth. I think history is repeating itself. Just as the nation didn't learn in 1907 I don’t think we learned in 2008 the GOP And their Overlords powered by the mega rich and a lot of propaganda information spread by corporate news wants to pump up the investor class and repeat 1929. Heck the GOP wants to repeat stuff that even proved to be a failure over the last decade.
I listen to Romney and he constantly contradicts his earlier positions. Some of it doesn’t even add up and a lot of what he says doesn’t even reflect the truth. I am saddened so much of America will fall for this crap.
I listen to Romney and he constantly contradicts his earlier positions. Some of it doesn’t even add up and a lot of what he says doesn’t even reflect the truth. I am saddened so much of America will fall for this crap.
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10-11-2012, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitt Romney
“No, you go to the hospital, you get treated, you get care, and it’s paid for, either by charity, the government or by the hospital. We don’t have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don’t have insurance.”
Is he trolling? You don't have to pay when you go to the emergency room? This is news to me. Also I am positive that people do die because they don't have insurance. Which is why he signed Romneycare after all.
1/10 Mitt. Lurk moar.
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10-11-2012, 04:30 PM
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When the EMTs get there and find passed out hobo, do they check him for insurance card or self-insurance verification before attempting life-saving measures and/or transporting him to the hospital?
Once at the hospital, do emergency room doctors check him for insurance card or self-insurance verification before performing necessary medical exams, tests and care?
If the answer to all of the above is no and said hobo receives $50k worth of life-saving medicine... He certainly seems to have received care without paying.
What happens if you don't carry health insurance and go to the emergency room while conscious? Does the emergency room admitting agent do some sort of financial analysis to determine your ability to pay any and all costs prior to admitting you?
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10-11-2012, 04:51 PM
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Romney in Central Ohio | Health care called
Is he trolling? You don't have to pay when you go to the emergency room? This is news to me. Also I am positive that people do die because they don't have insurance. Which is why he signed Romneycare after all.
1/10 Mitt. Lurk moar.
Is he trolling? You don't have to pay when you go to the emergency room? This is news to me. Also I am positive that people do die because they don't have insurance. Which is why he signed Romneycare after all.
1/10 Mitt. Lurk moar.
I have insurance. But also the way funding agreements were written for the hospital and the way Property tax pays for the hospital, my portion of the bill was written off as if I was prepaid by the amount of my property tax that goes to funding the hospital.
They basically took X-rays of it and said yep you broke the tip of your finger here is a prescription for some pain meds.
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10-11-2012, 05:11 PM
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In Texas all of the emergency area there are signs that say (and i'm paraphrasing) if your not dying we don't have to treat you, if your dying you get a body scan, we will stabilize you, then your out. Gf needed stitches last week and they made her wait till they checked that she had proper coverage before even putting her in a room to then wait 3 hours for a Dr.
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10-11-2012, 05:24 PM
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In Texas all of the emergency area there are signs that say (and i'm paraphrasing) if your not dying we don't have to treat you, if your dying you get a body scan, we will stabilize you, then your out. Gf needed stitches last week and they made her wait till they checked that she had proper coverage before even putting her in a room to then wait 3 hours for a Dr.
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10-11-2012, 05:38 PM
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If the answer to all of the above is no and said hobo receives $50k worth of life-saving medicine... He certainly seems to have received care without paying.
What happens if you don't carry health insurance and go to the emergency room while conscious? Does the emergency room admitting agent do some sort of financial analysis to determine your ability to pay any and all costs prior to admitting you?
What happens if you don't carry health insurance and go to the emergency room while conscious? Does the emergency room admitting agent do some sort of financial analysis to determine your ability to pay any and all costs prior to admitting you?
But more likely is that an uninsured visit to the emergency room causes someone to become homeless.
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10-11-2012, 06:11 PM
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No, they treat you and send you the bill afterwards. Not pre-paid != free. There is quite a difference. For instance, now the hobo is $50k in debt AND he still doesn't have a home.
But more likely is that an uninsured visit to the emergency room causes someone to become homeless.
But more likely is that an uninsured visit to the emergency room causes someone to become homeless.
When I was much younger, my significant other at the time had an ovarian cyst burst and she did not have health insurance. With no real income and no assets to go after, the hospital wrote off the entire bill. There may have been some negligible amount paid (i.e. a few hundred dollars on a tens-of-thousands of dollars bill).
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10-11-2012, 07:14 PM
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I would argue that it is more likely that the hospital writes off all of the hobo's debt or at least the vast majority of it. Besides, he's a hobo living a life of freedom and adventure, unburdened by things like debt. He'll hop the next boxcar and never give another thought to that hospital bill.
When I was much younger, my significant other at the time had an ovarian cyst burst and she did not have health insurance. With no real income and no assets to go after, the hospital wrote off the entire bill. There may have been some negligible amount paid (i.e. a few hundred dollars on a tens-of-thousands of dollars bill).
When I was much younger, my significant other at the time had an ovarian cyst burst and she did not have health insurance. With no real income and no assets to go after, the hospital wrote off the entire bill. There may have been some negligible amount paid (i.e. a few hundred dollars on a tens-of-thousands of dollars bill).
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10-12-2012, 10:52 AM
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10-12-2012, 10:58 AM
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You can reasonably argue for positive or negative aspects of the different approaches (more Federal government control vs more "market based" approaches). But, I don't think you can reasonably argue that conservatives necessarily want to retain the current system as-is.
Granted, reasonable arguments are not always your forte.
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10-12-2012, 11:56 AM
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I would argue that it is more likely that the hospital writes off all of the hobo's debt or at least the vast majority of it. Besides, he's a hobo living a life of freedom and adventure, unburdened by things like debt. He'll hop the next boxcar and never give another thought to that hospital bill.
When I was much younger, my significant other at the time had an ovarian cyst burst and she did not have health insurance. With no real income and no assets to go after, the hospital wrote off the entire bill. There may have been some negligible amount paid (i.e. a few hundred dollars on a tens-of-thousands of dollars bill).
When I was much younger, my significant other at the time had an ovarian cyst burst and she did not have health insurance. With no real income and no assets to go after, the hospital wrote off the entire bill. There may have been some negligible amount paid (i.e. a few hundred dollars on a tens-of-thousands of dollars bill).
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