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Old 10-04-2012, 05:49 PM   #181
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It's okay to be racist as long as you aren't white.
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Romney debates himself. The etch a sketch is going to be worn out.

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Blob, I'm not sure how you can function in real life.
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Blob, I'm not sure how you can function in real life.
What makes you say that?
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your views are so ******* skewed
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your views are so ******* skewed
Sorry I don't watch Fox news. I study History and look to find truth. I think history is repeating itself. Just as the nation didn't learn in 1907 I donít think we learned in 2008 the GOP And their Overlords powered by the mega rich and a lot of propaganda information spread by corporate news wants to pump up the investor class and repeat 1929. Heck the GOP wants to repeat stuff that even proved to be a failure over the last decade.

I listen to Romney and he constantly contradicts his earlier positions. Some of it doesnít even add up and a lot of what he says doesnít even reflect the truth. I am saddened so much of America will fall for this crap.
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Old 10-11-2012, 04:09 PM   #187
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“No, you go to the hospital, you get treated, you get care, and it’s paid for, either by charity, the government or by the hospital. We don’t have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don’t have insurance.
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...ed-choice.html

Is he trolling? You don't have to pay when you go to the emergency room? This is news to me. Also I am positive that people do die because they don't have insurance. Which is why he signed Romneycare after all.

1/10 Mitt. Lurk moar.
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Old 10-11-2012, 05:30 PM   #188
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Is he trolling? You don't have to pay when you go to the emergency room? This is news to me.
What happens if a hobo passes out on the street and someone calls 911? Does dispatch ask for insurance card or self-insurance verification before sending the EMTs?

When the EMTs get there and find passed out hobo, do they check him for insurance card or self-insurance verification before attempting life-saving measures and/or transporting him to the hospital?

Once at the hospital, do emergency room doctors check him for insurance card or self-insurance verification before performing necessary medical exams, tests and care?

If the answer to all of the above is no and said hobo receives $50k worth of life-saving medicine... He certainly seems to have received care without paying.


What happens if you don't carry health insurance and go to the emergency room while conscious? Does the emergency room admitting agent do some sort of financial analysis to determine your ability to pay any and all costs prior to admitting you?
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Romney in Central Ohio | Health care called

Is he trolling? You don't have to pay when you go to the emergency room? This is news to me. Also I am positive that people do die because they don't have insurance. Which is why he signed Romneycare after all.

1/10 Mitt. Lurk moar.
When my wife forced me to go to the emergency room after smashing the end of my finger If I wasn't bleeding all over the waiting room floor or in need of immediate action to save my life they would not even admit me without proof of insurance.

I have insurance. But also the way funding agreements were written for the hospital and the way Property tax pays for the hospital, my portion of the bill was written off as if I was prepaid by the amount of my property tax that goes to funding the hospital.

They basically took X-rays of it and said yep you broke the tip of your finger here is a prescription for some pain meds.
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Old 10-11-2012, 06:11 PM   #190
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In Texas all of the emergency area there are signs that say (and i'm paraphrasing) if your not dying we don't have to treat you, if your dying you get a body scan, we will stabilize you, then your out. Gf needed stitches last week and they made her wait till they checked that she had proper coverage before even putting her in a room to then wait 3 hours for a Dr.
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In Texas all of the emergency area there are signs that say (and i'm paraphrasing) if your not dying we don't have to treat you, if your dying you get a body scan, we will stabilize you, then your out. Gf needed stitches last week and they made her wait till they checked that she had proper coverage before even putting her in a room to then wait 3 hours for a Dr.
I went to an emergency room in Fort-Worth Texas without insurance after a Mt-bike wreak and having a large stick impaled in my back and broke off in the late 80ís. About 2 hours of waiting then finally getting a hold of my parents and having them put several thousand on their credit card they finally started trying to figure out how far the stick was stuck in my back and if it hit any vital organs before they finally pulled it out. I was lucky with no major damage. Parents covered the bill it was in the thousands. This was when I was trying to start a business on my own and could not afford my own insurance. At 18 I was cut from my parents plan.
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If the answer to all of the above is no and said hobo receives $50k worth of life-saving medicine... He certainly seems to have received care without paying.


What happens if you don't carry health insurance and go to the emergency room while conscious? Does the emergency room admitting agent do some sort of financial analysis to determine your ability to pay any and all costs prior to admitting you?
No, they treat you and send you the bill afterwards. Not pre-paid != free. There is quite a difference. For instance, now the hobo is $50k in debt AND he still doesn't have a home.

But more likely is that an uninsured visit to the emergency room causes someone to become homeless.
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No, they treat you and send you the bill afterwards. Not pre-paid != free. There is quite a difference. For instance, now the hobo is $50k in debt AND he still doesn't have a home.

But more likely is that an uninsured visit to the emergency room causes someone to become homeless.
I would argue that it is more likely that the hospital writes off all of the hobo's debt or at least the vast majority of it. Besides, he's a hobo living a life of freedom and adventure, unburdened by things like debt. He'll hop the next boxcar and never give another thought to that hospital bill.


When I was much younger, my significant other at the time had an ovarian cyst burst and she did not have health insurance. With no real income and no assets to go after, the hospital wrote off the entire bill. There may have been some negligible amount paid (i.e. a few hundred dollars on a tens-of-thousands of dollars bill).
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I would argue that it is more likely that the hospital writes off all of the hobo's debt or at least the vast majority of it. Besides, he's a hobo living a life of freedom and adventure, unburdened by things like debt. He'll hop the next boxcar and never give another thought to that hospital bill.


When I was much younger, my significant other at the time had an ovarian cyst burst and she did not have health insurance. With no real income and no assets to go after, the hospital wrote off the entire bill. There may have been some negligible amount paid (i.e. a few hundred dollars on a tens-of-thousands of dollars bill).
And everybody else who goes to the hospital pays more the next time they go to cover the free catastrophic healthcare of the uninsured and the insurance company jacks up the rates even more pricing it out of reach to more people and to keep their margins high and make more profit from the shrinking pool of insured people while making sure they only will offer insurance to young and healthy people where the most profit is. It is A system of exponentially increasing cost and growing number of un-insured that we have developed and conservatives seem to want to retain for some un-known reason. I think a lot of them have been brainwashed into not thinking.

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I think history is repeating itself.

So does this immigrant from Budapest:



and he's buying airtime to tell his story.
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And everybody else who goes to the hospital pays more the next time they go to cover the free catastrophic healthcare of the uninsured
So then, we effectively have cost-shared catastrophic healthcare for everyone, right? Isn't that a good thing? What's your beef with it? Simply that the costs are not progressively-distributed?
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So then, we effectively have cost-shared catastrophic healthcare for everyone, right? Isn't that a good thing? What's your beef with it? Simply that the costs are not progressively-distributed?
I dont see the problem...

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It is A system of exponentially increasing cost and growing number of un-insured that we have developed and conservatives seem to want to retain for some un-known reason. I think a lot of them have been brainwashed into not thinking.
Bob - I think this is a bit of a straw man argument. Even before the "Obama/Pelosi-care" fiasco, health care and insurance reform was a part of almost every politician's platform. I don't think anyone was arguing for leaving everything status quo.

You can reasonably argue for positive or negative aspects of the different approaches (more Federal government control vs more "market based" approaches). But, I don't think you can reasonably argue that conservatives necessarily want to retain the current system as-is.


Granted, reasonable arguments are not always your forte.
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I would argue that it is more likely that the hospital writes off all of the hobo's debt or at least the vast majority of it. Besides, he's a hobo living a life of freedom and adventure, unburdened by things like debt. He'll hop the next boxcar and never give another thought to that hospital bill.


When I was much younger, my significant other at the time had an ovarian cyst burst and she did not have health insurance. With no real income and no assets to go after, the hospital wrote off the entire bill. There may have been some negligible amount paid (i.e. a few hundred dollars on a tens-of-thousands of dollars bill).
And for people who have a car and house, but not insurance? The fact that filing for bankruptcy is seen as a "solution" to healthcare issues is just baffling to me. Clearly $50k of bills on the taxpayer's dollar is better than just paying for $200 worth of preventative care (which you can't get at the emergency room).
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