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Old 07-30-2011, 09:39 PM   #9081
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Meh at Marines. I'd say Army if you aren't sure. Easy to move around and basically any job you can think of. Any idea what you want to do?
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no offense to your sister, but officers make terrible recruiters... try talking with someone who is enlisted... officers in the AF barely have jobs other than paper pushing. I can only think of three:

-any form of combat support
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Meh at Marines. I'd say Army if you aren't sure. Easy to move around and basically any job you can think of. Any idea what you want to do?
I have absolutely no idea. My scores give me a leg up in choosing a job, but honestly the only thing that has caught my interest so far is Crew Chief. If I could be part of a helicopter crew that would be great. I know I haven't put enough thought into it yet. I really need to get serious with looking at jobs.

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no offense to your sister, but officers make terrible recruiters... try talking with someone who is enlisted... officers in the AF barely have jobs other than paper pushing. I can only think of three:

-any form of combat support
-pilots
-medical
No, it's cool. The first thing she told me was that she is NOT the right person to talk to. She explained to me that since she is in the medical field, she is very sheltered from the rest of the military. My brother, however, started from the ground up as enlisted in the Army;(<--not sure if used correctly) so I have really listened to his advice and taken it seriously.

I've spoken to some of my other friends in the Air Force and they all tell me the same thing, "JOIN THE AIR FORCE!!!!!!" But then their reasons are really, really lame. "I do nothing, lots of time off and I barely have to work." That would absolutely drive me crazy. I want to work and stay very busy.
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I did well on my ASVAB. In high school I got a 88, last time I took it my score was over well into the 90's. I might see if I can take it again soon and max it out.
That's a really good score, I think with an 88 there wouldn't be any MOS that you couldn't do.

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I'm going to post a **** load of cadences in the random picture thread, push you over that fence.

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I've spoken to some of my other friends in the Air Force and they all tell me the same thing, "JOIN THE AIR FORCE!!!!!!" But then their reasons are really, really lame. "I do nothing, lots of time off and I barely have to work." That would absolutely drive me crazy. I want to work and stay very busy.
That's one thing I think you'd like about the MC, they pride themselves on hard work and doing a lot with less (the USMC has about 1/10th of the budget of the Army, drop out rates in boot camp is/was about double that of Army boot camp, which seems to be another source of pride*). You should read
<i>'Making the Coprs', by Thomas Ricks</i> 'Making the Coprs', by Thomas Ricks
It's about going through boot camp and the history (good and bad) of the Corps.
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I actually retract my generalization to say that the Marines I have met have 9 times out of 10 been all show. Which seeing as I help train them, is a lot. There are always exceptions. I have respect for every service (even the AF). I have a lot of friends who are Marines/AF/Army etc.. Everyone has their purpose.

OP, you really need to figure out what you want to do. ASVAB isn't **** once you score above 90. Hell I haven't even met anyone that has scored below that in my MOS. Most max it.

I guess the big question is do you see yourself in the military for a career, or as a stepping stone?
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Not to get in some inter-service argument, but Marines 9 times out of 10 are all show. Sure they look pretty, but this is 2011, you have to do more than that. Sure hey have their purpose and we need them, but we are talking about the OP here.
No problem, I'm just excited to go to boot camp and all that. But I do not believe for one second that they're 9/10ths all show, a ~14%~ boot camp drop out rate insures that.
As for OP, if your thinking of joining either one as a career then there is the fact that the Army is bigger and therefor has more room to rise in the ranks, but that's not to say you couldn't do well in the MC, with your college you should get a promotion to PFC, or go to OCS if you want. I believe (not sure, you'd have to ask your recruiter) your DI's can promote you as well, so if you already have college you could (if you work really hard in boot camp) get promoted to Lance Corporal (again, I'm not at all sure of this, I've only done a little research and my sources aren't that great).
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No problem, I'm just excited to go to boot camp and all that. But I do not believe for one second that they're 9/10ths all show, a ~14%~ boot camp drop out rate insures that.
As you can see I have since changed what I said. I cannot obviously speak for the whole Core.

You should be excited. I have a lot of respect for Marines. But don't discount the Soldiers
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OP, you really need to figure out what you want to do.

I guess the big question is do you see yourself in the military for a career, or as a stepping stone?
I know. The answer to the big questions is....I don't know yet. I'm sure I'm coming off as a broken record, but I'm still in the first phase of this. Having options with jobs, different branches, school ****, etc.... I'm starting to get to the point where it's to thin the stuff out.

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That's a really good score, I think with an 88 there wouldn't be any MOS that you couldn't do.
This is what I have heard. I know I shouldn't be bitching about it, but it makes selecting a job harder. I'm the kind of person who will consider options all the way up to the last minute

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I'm going to post a **** load of cadences in the random picture thread, push you over that fence.
The more I watch that stuff the more I want to join the Marines. I've watched the movie Ears, Open. Eye *****, Click. a 1000 times over the last three months. Most of my friends see that as horrible, insane, etc... It just makes me want to join. The harder, the better.

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You should read 'Making the Coprs', by Thomas Ricks It's about going through boot camp and the history (good and bad) of the Corps.
*According to the aforementioned book.
Thanks for the link. I'll pick up a copy.

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As for OP, if your thinking of joining either one as a career then there is the fact that the Army is bigger and therefor has more room to rise in the ranks, but that's not to say you couldn't do well in the MC, with your college you should get a promotion to PFC, or go to OCS if you want. I believe (not sure, you'd have to ask your recruiter) your DI's can promote you as well, so if you already have college you could (if you work really hard in boot camp) get promoted to Lance Corporal (again, I'm not at all sure of this, I've only done a little research and my sources aren't that great).
I really, really need to get **** straight with my Marine recruiter. To be honest, he's a bit...uh, not very good at his job. I joined a military forum to try and get this **** straight. Whether I stay in or not is still on the fence. I think it's one of those things I need to experience first before I can answer that question. As far as rising in ranks, OCS, etc..I still need to do a lot of reading. The Marines are different that sense from the other branches (what I've heard)

My resources haven't been great either. Like I said, my Marine recruiter is a bit useless(so far). The forums are GREAT, though. If you're not one yet, I suggest you do that immediately.
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I've seen Ears Open Eyeballs Click a few times, really good movie.

It sucks that your recruiter isn't as good as he should be, I can see how it certainly makes your decisions harder. I've been very lucky that all the recruiters at my RSS (and the Sargent Major who occasionally stops by) are cool guys who eat/breath/sleep Marine Corps. If you have a question that your recruiter can't answer or something like that, you may want to call 1-800-Marines and maybe you can get a better answer there.
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How is it possible to be apathetic and anxious at the same time? I've been finding myself both of these for the last month or two, either alternately or at the same time. Apathy being far more predominant.

Some people say I'm apathetic, but I really don't care.
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How is it possible to be apathetic and anxious at the same time? I've been finding myself both of these for the last month or two, either alternately or at the same time. Apathy being far more predominant.

Some people say I'm apathetic, but I really don't care.
Have you considered starting a xanga or something? You have a lot of negative energy and it really brings down my zen, bro.
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The causes of bipolar disorder likely vary between individuals. Twin studies have been limited by relatively small sample sizes but have indicated a substantial genetic contribution, as well as environmental influence. For bipolar I, the (probandwise) concordance rates in modern studies have been consistently put at around 40% in monozygotic twins (same genes), compared to 0 to 10% in dizygotic twins.[25] A combination of bipolar I, II and cyclothymia produced concordance rates of 42% vs 11%, with a relatively lower ratio for bipolar II that likely reflects heterogeneity. The overall heritability of the bipolar spectrum has been put at 0.71.[26] There is overlap with unipolar depression and if this is also counted in the co-twin the concordance with bipolar disorder rises to 67% in monozigotic twins and 19% in dizigotic.[27] The relatively low concordance between dizygotic twins brought up together suggests that shared family environmental effects are limited, although the ability to detect them has been limited by small sample sizes.[26]

Genetic

Genetic studies have suggested many chromosomal regions and candidate genes appearing to relate to the development of bipolar disorder, but the results are not consistent and often not replicated.[28]
Although the first genetic linkage finding for mania was in 1969,[29] the linkage studies have been inconsistent.[30] Meta-analyses of linkage studies detected either no significant genome-wide findings or, using a different methodology, only two genome-wide significant peaks, on chromosome 6q and on 8q21.[citation needed] Genome-wide association studies neither brought a consistent focus — each has identified new loci.[30]

Findings point strongly to heterogeneity, with different genes being implicated in different families.[31] A review seeking to identify the more consistent findings suggested several genes related to serotonin (SLC6A4 and TPH2), dopamine (DRD4 and SLC6A3), glutamate (DAOA and DTNBP1), and cell growth and/or maintenance pathways (NRG1, DISC1 and BDNF), although noting a high risk of false positives in the published literature. It was also suggested that individual genes are likely to have only a small effect and to be involved in some aspect related to the disorder (and a broad range of "normal" human behavior) rather than the disorder per se.[32]

Advanced paternal age has been linked to a somewhat increased chance of bipolar disorder in offspring, consistent with a hypothesis of increased new genetic mutations.[33]

Physiological

Abnormalities in the structure and/or function of certain brain circuits could underlie bipolar. Two meta-analyses of MRI studies in bipolar disorder report a increase in the volume of the lateral ventricles, globus pallidus and increase in the rates of deep white matter hyperintensities.[34][35]

The "kindling" theory asserts that people who are genetically predisposed toward bipolar disorder can experience a series of stressful events,[36] each of which lowers the threshold at which mood changes occur. Eventually, a mood episode can start (and become recurrent) by itself. There is evidence of hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis (HPA axis) abnormalities in bipolar disorder due to stress.[37]
Other brain components which have been proposed to play a role are the mitochondria,[38] and a sodium ATPase pump,[39] causing cyclical periods of poor neuron firing (depression) and hypersensitive neuron firing (mania). This may only apply for type one, but type two apparently results from a large confluence of factors.[citation needed] Circadian rhythms and melatonin activity also seem to be altered.[40]

Environmental

Evidence suggests that environmental factors play a significant role in the development and course of bipolar disorder, and that individual psychosocial variables may interact with genetic dispositions.[32] There is fairly consistent evidence from prospective studies that recent life events and interpersonal relationships contribute to the likelihood of onsets and recurrences of bipolar mood episodes, as they do for onsets and recurrences of unipolar depression.[41] There have been repeated findings that between a third and a half of adults diagnosed with bipolar disorder report traumatic/abusive experiences in childhood, which is associated on average with earlier onset, a worse course, and more co-occurring disorders such as PTSD.[42] The total number of reported stressful events in childhood is higher in those with an adult diagnosis of bipolar spectrum disorder compared to those without, particularly events stemming from a harsh environment rather than from the child's own behavior.[43] Early experiences of adversity and conflict are likely to make subsequent developmental challenges in adolescence more difficult, and are likely a potentiating factor in those at risk of developing bipolar disorder.[44]

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The causes of bipolar disorder likely vary between individuals. Twin studies have been limited by relatively small sample sizes but have indicated a substantial genetic contribution, as well as environmental influence. For bipolar I, the (probandwise) concordance rates in modern studies have been consistently put at around 40% in monozygotic twins (same genes), compared to 0 to 10% in dizygotic twins.[25] A combination of bipolar I, II and cyclothymia produced concordance rates of 42% vs 11%, with a relatively lower ratio for bipolar II that likely reflects heterogeneity. The overall heritability of the bipolar spectrum has been put at 0.71.[26] There is overlap with unipolar depression and if this is also counted in the co-twin the concordance with bipolar disorder rises to 67% in monozigotic twins and 19% in dizigotic.[27] The relatively low concordance between dizygotic twins brought up together suggests that shared family environmental effects are limited, although the ability to detect them has been limited by small sample sizes.[26]

Genetic

Genetic studies have suggested many chromosomal regions and candidate genes appearing to relate to the development of bipolar disorder, but the results are not consistent and often not replicated.[28]
Although the first genetic linkage finding for mania was in 1969,[29] the linkage studies have been inconsistent.[30] Meta-analyses of linkage studies detected either no significant genome-wide findings or, using a different methodology, only two genome-wide significant peaks, on chromosome 6q and on 8q21.[citation needed] Genome-wide association studies neither brought a consistent focus — each has identified new loci.[30]

Findings point strongly to heterogeneity, with different genes being implicated in different families.[31] A review seeking to identify the more consistent findings suggested several genes related to serotonin (SLC6A4 and TPH2), dopamine (DRD4 and SLC6A3), glutamate (DAOA and DTNBP1), and cell growth and/or maintenance pathways (NRG1, DISC1 and BDNF), although noting a high risk of false positives in the published literature. It was also suggested that individual genes are likely to have only a small effect and to be involved in some aspect related to the disorder (and a broad range of "normal" human behavior) rather than the disorder per se.[32]

Advanced paternal age has been linked to a somewhat increased chance of bipolar disorder in offspring, consistent with a hypothesis of increased new genetic mutations.[33]

Physiological

Abnormalities in the structure and/or function of certain brain circuits could underlie bipolar. Two meta-analyses of MRI studies in bipolar disorder report a increase in the volume of the lateral ventricles, globus pallidus and increase in the rates of deep white matter hyperintensities.[34][35]

The "kindling" theory asserts that people who are genetically predisposed toward bipolar disorder can experience a series of stressful events,[36] each of which lowers the threshold at which mood changes occur. Eventually, a mood episode can start (and become recurrent) by itself. There is evidence of hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis (HPA axis) abnormalities in bipolar disorder due to stress.[37]
Other brain components which have been proposed to play a role are the mitochondria,[38] and a sodium ATPase pump,[39] causing cyclical periods of poor neuron firing (depression) and hypersensitive neuron firing (mania). This may only apply for type one, but type two apparently results from a large confluence of factors.[citation needed] Circadian rhythms and melatonin activity also seem to be altered.[40]

Environmental

Evidence suggests that environmental factors play a significant role in the development and course of bipolar disorder, and that individual psychosocial variables may interact with genetic dispositions.[32] There is fairly consistent evidence from prospective studies that recent life events and interpersonal relationships contribute to the likelihood of onsets and recurrences of bipolar mood episodes, as they do for onsets and recurrences of unipolar depression.[41] There have been repeated findings that between a third and a half of adults diagnosed with bipolar disorder report traumatic/abusive experiences in childhood, which is associated on average with earlier onset, a worse course, and more co-occurring disorders such as PTSD.[42] The total number of reported stressful events in childhood is higher in those with an adult diagnosis of bipolar spectrum disorder compared to those without, particularly events stemming from a harsh environment rather than from the child's own behavior.[43] Early experiences of adversity and conflict are likely to make subsequent developmental challenges in adolescence more difficult, and are likely a potentiating factor in those at risk of developing bipolar disorder.[44]

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Looks like some ricer BS has already shown up on MFz. Fuuuuuuuck must resist.
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Seems like Rick's new forum is broken already. All I get are connection problem pages when I try to go to that site. I am at work and it did work for me for about 3 minutes now it won't connect.
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Forum is on the same server as this dunno.


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