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Old 07-18-2013, 10:52 PM   #17981
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Behold, the OHV, 45hp per liter, glory.

The only way I can describe driving it is "******* awesome".
1000lbs less than a Miata feels good, huh? I really miss my Austin Healey Sprite being on the road sometimes.
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Old 07-18-2013, 11:28 PM   #17982
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I couldn't help but think of the Chaparral 2J cars and the Brabham BT46B F1 car when I read this.

Can anyone explain to me why sanctioning bodies seem to be universally against development in this area? Why is there no race series or format that permits the use of movable aerodynamic devices?
Safety.

What happens when you're in the final corner of the daytona 500 racing for first at 240mph on underbody vacuum, running on fumes, and your car runs out of gas and you immediately lose your vacuum?

The brakes may still work, but your *** end will be in the wall before you can react.
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Old 07-19-2013, 12:14 AM   #17983
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Honestly, I tire of race series that constantly change the rules to ensure "competitive balance." I want 1100 HP Can-Am Porsches and multiple tire manufacturers and fans sucking the air from underneath the car and dammit supercomputers controlling traction and slip angle and no slip starts and everything else if that's what's the fastest on the track.
Edit - I fupp ducked the snip. The above is our friend Mgeoffriau, below is yours truly.

Word. I miss the old days of racing, where you had a huge diversity of cars with a huge diversity of modifications and approaches. Now it's just a bunch of cars that all go the same speed, leaving pit strategy and bad fortune as the only variables.

The problem. however, is money. Ain't it always? The deep pockets come in and it becomes a race to see who can spend more. Eventually the less funded teams fall by the wayside or change series, leaving organizers with a dwindling pool of competitors and increasingly less competitive racing.

But I have a solution to Money, and it is, amazingly, Money. I like Claim Rules. My dream Road Race series would be a $50,000 Claim series, absolutely wide open rules aside from safety equipment. Only other competitors can claim a car, maybe add some stipulations about the claimer having to have finished the same race within 80% of the winning time to prevent people from entering beaters to claim a fully prepped front-runner, or they have to trade their car plus money or something, but that's all for the lawyery types to figure out. I just want to see the different approaches people would take; go lightweight? Use a **** ton of aero? Production based cars or tube-frame specials? Monster twin turbo big blocks with nitrous in shopping carts? You could literally do anything you wanted, as long as you were willing to kiss it goodbye for $50k. And then I'd put up big money for good finishes, to make it worth doing.

My approach: Scalpel. Find a nice older Formula car, turbo Hayabusa motor, the fattest stickiest rubber I could find and a COT wing. Wanna buy it for $50k? I'll build 'em all day. Me and my cat. And then we'd snuzzle.

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Old 07-19-2013, 06:49 AM   #17984
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Safety.

What happens when you're in the final corner of the daytona 500 racing for first at 240mph on underbody vacuum, running on fumes, and your car runs out of gas and you immediately lose your vacuum?

The brakes may still work, but your *** end will be in the wall before you can react.
This, though speeds would likely be far higher.

Also it's boring as **** to watch. I prefer to watch a driver struggling to keep the car on the road, not drifting, but completely on the limit.

Lewis Hamilton is one of the few drivers in F1 capable of this, much more interesting to watch than say Jenson Button who is also supremely quick, but doesn't seem to let the car move about underneath him.

Massive amounts of aero and cars sucked to the ground will be like watching very fast trains race each other.
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Old 07-19-2013, 09:27 AM   #17985
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Unsprung aero is not banned!
My mistake, for some reason I thought it was. We were basically a start up so we didnt even concentrate on aero.... our year they wanted wings and I told them that the only wing that goes on the car is an under-tray....and got confused looks
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But I have a solution to Money, and it is, amazingly, Money. I like Claim Rules. My dream Road Race series would be a $50,000 Claim series, absolutely wide open rules aside from safety equipment......
I like that idea. My idea to 'FIX' the spec problem is spec tires, but skiny ones, like these:



1000 bhp, abs, traction control, 6x the weight of the car in aero download?

Ok, but you gotta put it through a 5inch (or 125mm) tire.
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Old 07-19-2013, 10:52 AM   #17987
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Safety.

What happens when you're in the final corner of the daytona 500 racing for first at 240mph on underbody vacuum, running on fumes, and your car runs out of gas and you immediately lose your vacuum?

The brakes may still work, but your *** end will be in the wall before you can react.
Eh, there's always ways to make something safe-ish. There's plenty of systems on a race car that would disastrous if they failed, but you engineer them carefully and design some failsafes into them.

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[COLOR=Red]The problem. however, is money. Ain't it always? The deep pockets come in and it becomes a race to see who can spend more. Eventually the less funded teams fall by the wayside or change series, leaving organizers with a dwindling pool of competitors and increasingly less competitive racing.
I understand this point, but I think that unless a series directly limits spending, one team will always be willing to spend a little more to be the fastest. Tighten down engine regulations so that everyone has to run the same configuration, and one team will go the extra step of polishing every connecting rod with Tibetan monkey pelts. It's not any cheaper, they're just spending the money streching the rules instead of innovating freely.

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This, though speeds would likely be far higher.

Also it's boring as **** to watch. I prefer to watch a driver struggling to keep the car on the road, not drifting, but completely on the limit.

Lewis Hamilton is one of the few drivers in F1 capable of this, much more interesting to watch than say Jenson Button who is also supremely quick, but doesn't seem to let the car move about underneath him.

Massive amounts of aero and cars sucked to the ground will be like watching very fast trains race each other.
I understand that, but it's not like every race format would have to do this. There are always vintage series if you really want to watch guys struggle to control slow cars.

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