Hit the brakes !!!
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Hit the brakes !!!
Hey guys,
Ive been looking at all the different brake upgrades available for my NB8A & wanted to know what everyones opinions are on all the options....
im looking for pro's & cons of each kit
replacement prices & availability (as im in australia)
how well they work & wear
street use v's track use (as my car is being built for 80% street ((daily driven)) 20% track)
front kit v's front & rear in terms of need
adjustments that have made a good brake kit better....
& price v's how much better the products are in comparison....
this could be a great thread if no one F**ks with it too much.....
traders welcome to put in their two bobs (if mods dont mind)
the challenge begins
Ive been looking at all the different brake upgrades available for my NB8A & wanted to know what everyones opinions are on all the options....
im looking for pro's & cons of each kit
replacement prices & availability (as im in australia)
how well they work & wear
street use v's track use (as my car is being built for 80% street ((daily driven)) 20% track)
front kit v's front & rear in terms of need
adjustments that have made a good brake kit better....
& price v's how much better the products are in comparison....
this could be a great thread if no one F**ks with it too much.....
traders welcome to put in their two bobs (if mods dont mind)
the challenge begins
#2
Brake setup I plan to run on my track car. Mini Cooper parts FTW!!! Thanks to bbundy for sharing the information on this setup...
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/737924/2
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/737924/2
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Let's see your results.
I have a spreadsheet comparing different vendor's prices on various race pad options. I was considering posting it, but Im not sure it's appropreiate. For now still on 1.8 brakes, and being mad at the constant pad taper until I can afford a proper bbk.
I have a spreadsheet comparing different vendor's prices on various race pad options. I was considering posting it, but Im not sure it's appropreiate. For now still on 1.8 brakes, and being mad at the constant pad taper until I can afford a proper bbk.
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Let's see your results.
I have a spreadsheet comparing different vendor's prices on various race pad options. I was considering posting it, but Im not sure it's appropreiate. For now still on 1.8 brakes, and being mad at the constant pad taper until I can afford a proper bbk.
I have a spreadsheet comparing different vendor's prices on various race pad options. I was considering posting it, but Im not sure it's appropreiate. For now still on 1.8 brakes, and being mad at the constant pad taper until I can afford a proper bbk.
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For 80% street 20% track i would totally stick to stock, or 1.8 brake setup which the OP has. (99 right?)
I have gone through:
Hawk hps- Were decent till i hit the track my third time ever then they died.
Carbotech xp10s front xp8s rear- This was my favorite setup of all so far. I was under stock power at the time but they were amazing. Once turbo, i killed a set in a day :(
Carbotech xp12s front xp10s rear- This was a great setup for a long while for me. I only recently began getting serious taper on my pads forcing me to upgrade to a BBK.
Now i run the TSE willwood setup and went through a set of carbotech xp12s on them. They feel peddle wise about the same however both pads wear at the same pace which is key here.
Cons of carbotechs- Price, squeaky
Pros of carbotechs- Low dust, non corrosive dust and a simple garden hose can wash the dust off after track days.
That said I am now going to test out the new Hawk DTC-30 pads on the front and blacks on the back. Gary at track dog racing uses this same setup on his 290whp NB, so i figured i would give that a shot since this setup is about 1/2 the price of a carbotech setup.
Ill be taking measurements of pads, rotors, and track time to see how they last to the carbotechs.
I have gone through:
Hawk hps- Were decent till i hit the track my third time ever then they died.
Carbotech xp10s front xp8s rear- This was my favorite setup of all so far. I was under stock power at the time but they were amazing. Once turbo, i killed a set in a day :(
Carbotech xp12s front xp10s rear- This was a great setup for a long while for me. I only recently began getting serious taper on my pads forcing me to upgrade to a BBK.
Now i run the TSE willwood setup and went through a set of carbotech xp12s on them. They feel peddle wise about the same however both pads wear at the same pace which is key here.
Cons of carbotechs- Price, squeaky
Pros of carbotechs- Low dust, non corrosive dust and a simple garden hose can wash the dust off after track days.
That said I am now going to test out the new Hawk DTC-30 pads on the front and blacks on the back. Gary at track dog racing uses this same setup on his 290whp NB, so i figured i would give that a shot since this setup is about 1/2 the price of a carbotech setup.
Ill be taking measurements of pads, rotors, and track time to see how they last to the carbotechs.
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Let's see your results.
I have a spreadsheet comparing different vendor's prices on various race pad options. I was considering posting it, but Im not sure it's appropreiate. For now still on 1.8 brakes, and being mad at the constant pad taper until I can afford a proper bbk.
I have a spreadsheet comparing different vendor's prices on various race pad options. I was considering posting it, but Im not sure it's appropreiate. For now still on 1.8 brakes, and being mad at the constant pad taper until I can afford a proper bbk.
if not do you mind emailing or pm'ing the details to me???
I have good performance pads on her now with slotted rotors in the front, these work well until the 8th-10th lap at my fav track in which i pull in early to let them cool down, hence why im considering an upgrade....
#10
Hi,
i built my own kit with 4 piston calipers from a porsche boxster ( model 986) and discs from a renault clio 2.0.
The piston-size from the caliper is the same like a 996-caliper but the whole caliper is smaller.
The disc in 280x24mm fitts with a 7x15 OZ UL wheel without a spacer. You only need centerrings, the offset of the renault disc is 44mm, the stock disc has 45mm. Bore is the same 4x100mm.
I decided to use these parts because you can get them at every porsche and renault dealer and there are many options for pads and discs.
I use Tarox F2000 discs with pagid orange pads. It works fine, its cheap and you can use the pads for endurance races.
Rear (ebc turbo groove and yellowstuff)
But if you use your car only 20% at track and its not a typical gp-course, its easier to use a ebc turbo groove disc with a ebc yellowstuff pad and a some piping for cool air at the brake.
i built my own kit with 4 piston calipers from a porsche boxster ( model 986) and discs from a renault clio 2.0.
The piston-size from the caliper is the same like a 996-caliper but the whole caliper is smaller.
The disc in 280x24mm fitts with a 7x15 OZ UL wheel without a spacer. You only need centerrings, the offset of the renault disc is 44mm, the stock disc has 45mm. Bore is the same 4x100mm.
I decided to use these parts because you can get them at every porsche and renault dealer and there are many options for pads and discs.
I use Tarox F2000 discs with pagid orange pads. It works fine, its cheap and you can use the pads for endurance races.
Rear (ebc turbo groove and yellowstuff)
But if you use your car only 20% at track and its not a typical gp-course, its easier to use a ebc turbo groove disc with a ebc yellowstuff pad and a some piping for cool air at the brake.
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I've only experience greenstuff and HP+'s on autox courses.
Greenstuff - inexpensive, quite, not dirty, but not fun to modulate and didnt bite as well
HP+ - fairly inexpensive, good pedal feel, they bite, easy to modulate, but can lockup easy at the low autox speeds, lots of dust, and they squeak.
I'm upgrading to 01+ sport brakes and going with some xp10s in the front and xp8s in the rear when I get pads next . Ill reply my initial thoughts when I get it all installed
Greenstuff - inexpensive, quite, not dirty, but not fun to modulate and didnt bite as well
HP+ - fairly inexpensive, good pedal feel, they bite, easy to modulate, but can lockup easy at the low autox speeds, lots of dust, and they squeak.
I'm upgrading to 01+ sport brakes and going with some xp10s in the front and xp8s in the rear when I get pads next . Ill reply my initial thoughts when I get it all installed
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Hey guys,
Ive been looking at all the different brake upgrades available for my NB8A & wanted to know what everyones opinions are on all the options....
im looking for pro's & cons of each kit
replacement prices & availability (as im in australia)
how well they work & wear
street use v's track use (as my car is being built for 80% street ((daily driven)) 20% track)
front kit v's front & rear in terms of need
adjustments that have made a good brake kit better....
& price v's how much better the products are in comparison....
Ive been looking at all the different brake upgrades available for my NB8A & wanted to know what everyones opinions are on all the options....
im looking for pro's & cons of each kit
replacement prices & availability (as im in australia)
how well they work & wear
street use v's track use (as my car is being built for 80% street ((daily driven)) 20% track)
front kit v's front & rear in terms of need
adjustments that have made a good brake kit better....
& price v's how much better the products are in comparison....
M-Tuned kit, $120, no rotors or pads included. Converts to 11" Corrado rotor. Should be available down under, I think the same rotor came on some Passat or something. Pros, cheap. Cons, still uses the stock caliper.
Trackspeed BBK (see my sig). $600, no rotors or pads included. Converts to 11" Corrado rotor. Pros: cheapest wilwood-based BBK (stock caliper is the primary source of most braking issues with the car). Cons, doesn't fit under as many wheels as we'd like.
Goodwin BBK, $1000-$1500 depending on options. pads and rotors included, IIRC. Converts to an 11" 2-piece rotor and Wilwood caliper. Pros, fits the most wheels. Cons, expensive.
V8R BBK, $2000+. I know they include rotors, not sure on pads. Converts to 11.75" 2-piece rotor. Pros, biggest brakes available for the car. Cons, expensive.
#19
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You can get the workpiece at mbt-Engineering, or maybe he remember my bracket and can do it again. Yes, its cast. He had my wheel hub and one of my ronal rims to adapt.
But i needed these cast brackets for our TÜV (like CARB), DIY alloy brackets would be cheaper.
You can get the workpiece at mbt-Engineering, or maybe he remember my bracket and can do it again. Yes, its cast. He had my wheel hub and one of my ronal rims to adapt.
But i needed these cast brackets for our TÜV (like CARB), DIY alloy brackets would be cheaper.