What to do, shocks...
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So you too have yours removed...I don't know why I don't like the idea.
I just have hopes that it can be tuned out by fiddling with the MR with adjustable endlinks.
Are there any negatives for running without a rear bar?
If no, then why does anyone even have a rear bar then? That's kind of along the lines of my thinking...I guess I just have to try it myself...next auto-x we'll do a bit of a test and tune on the rear sway bar.
Did you have to increase your rear tire pressure any to accomodate for more roll, or is that not something you mess around much with?
I just have hopes that it can be tuned out by fiddling with the MR with adjustable endlinks.
Are there any negatives for running without a rear bar?
If no, then why does anyone even have a rear bar then? That's kind of along the lines of my thinking...I guess I just have to try it myself...next auto-x we'll do a bit of a test and tune on the rear sway bar.
Did you have to increase your rear tire pressure any to accomodate for more roll, or is that not something you mess around much with?
Honestly, as well as the car handles now, I think I want to go a BIT stiffer, it was more FUN.
And the OEM, non-sport shocks are pretty good on cut springs. I'm surprised at how much better it is than my questionable konis.
Does anyone know what the Ground Control set up on a Bilstien looks like? For the konis there is this adapter ring (plastic, though it must be some awesome stuff, there's maybe a 2mm wide circle that takes ALL the load for the spring). I don't know if I need new threaded sleeves or just new adapter rings. The rings I could make, the sleeves... my lathe won't do 8 threads per inch.
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Off topic: If I've done the test where I drop the clutch with one tire in the sand and leave a big black burn out on the pavement, I *do* have a limited slip, right?
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Is the Hard S and the HD valving of the same type? Or is one better than the other?
Abe-would you agree that is you had a rear bar in place but only with a much softer bar-rate that it would be better than no bar at all? I want to say yes, but I haven't tried either myself yet.
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Abe-would you agree that is you had a rear bar in place but only with a much softer bar-rate that it would be better than no bar at all? I want to say yes, but I haven't tried either myself yet.
I was thinking of milling/filing/grinding two flats along the length of the bar, to effectivly thin it up, then compare it to another stocker... But so far I haven't had things figured out enough where I'm sure I would notice the difference. I'd have to give it to one of my friends who knows how to drive.
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Huh, you don't get a rear-end-flapping-in-the-breeze effect?! I wouldn't say it was BAD, and it sure sticks, but I definately noticed it. Maybe it was going from an FM rear bar to 11mm, but I sure noticed the difference.
I also had less rear bias, i.e. 500/375 means proportionatly more spring (ratio of 1.33) to your 1.5. Perhaps that's why I needed my bar... I'd need to re-read up on roll-couple, the new rates I'm looking at running (750/500) are also 1.5.
The interesting thing is, when I said I wanted to run a rear bar, the 700 went to 750, meaning a higher number wants more rear bar.
Probably the deciding factor is actually the ride height - I've been running near stock.
No, sorry, I can't! I just sent them out yesterday. I guess I should go ahead and order these bilstiens and then I can find out for you soon.
I also had less rear bias, i.e. 500/375 means proportionatly more spring (ratio of 1.33) to your 1.5. Perhaps that's why I needed my bar... I'd need to re-read up on roll-couple, the new rates I'm looking at running (750/500) are also 1.5.
The interesting thing is, when I said I wanted to run a rear bar, the 700 went to 750, meaning a higher number wants more rear bar.
Probably the deciding factor is actually the ride height - I've been running near stock.
No, sorry, I can't! I just sent them out yesterday. I guess I should go ahead and order these bilstiens and then I can find out for you soon.
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As to the rear bar, my spring ratio is nearly identical to yours: 318/233 = 1.36. I find that the absence of a rear bar gives the vehicle absolutely perfect balance. It's smooth and predictable cornering under power, yet if I really want to, I can still swing the back end around with judicious application of the fun pedal.
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I had the car out last night with a friend and took it around a empty subdivision. With the lack of an alignment the car handles really well and is very predictable as it sits. I can take it around corners with damn near perfect neutrality yet like Joe with some throttle I can steer the *** end out to my liking.
Its pretty damn amazing, I have no idea what it will be like with a good alignment.
Its pretty damn amazing, I have no idea what it will be like with a good alignment.
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As to the rear bar, my spring ratio is nearly identical to yours: 318/233 = 1.36. I find that the absence of a rear bar gives the vehicle absolutely perfect balance. It's smooth and predictable cornering under power, yet if I really want to, I can still swing the back end around with judicious application of the fun pedal.
Anyway, the spring ratio is over simplifying, front roll couple is more invovled, and invovles ride height and sway choice. Meh.
Anyway, we'll see. Since I have 9 rear sway choices, and 4 front sway options, so it's not like there isn't a little room there. :-)
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ANyway, I hate that way of determining ride heights. Mostly what matters is if your control arms are parallel to the ground. I set mine so they are, giving me the best action of the wheels. But the measurement it harder to make...
Awesome, gives me something to shoot for - I think that decides it for me, ordering bilstiens
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Do you have trouble being on the other side of things, a bit of understeery if you lift?
Anyway, the spring ratio is over simplifying, front roll couple is more invovled, and invovles ride height and sway choice. Meh.
Anyway, we'll see. Since I have 9 rear sway choices, and 4 front sway options, so it's not like there isn't a little room there. :-)
Anyway, the spring ratio is over simplifying, front roll couple is more invovled, and invovles ride height and sway choice. Meh.
Anyway, we'll see. Since I have 9 rear sway choices, and 4 front sway options, so it's not like there isn't a little room there. :-)
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If you're going to post stupid stuff that doesn't make sense on the internet at 3 in the morning when you're drunk, do it on MT.net, not to ex girlfriends. :-P I'm not sure I'm in any better shape right now, either.
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