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Old Mar 23, 2018 | 10:00 PM
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I don't see a problem with that, though it would increase drag. But why wouldn't just you make a wider or longer spoiler?
I was just curious if it had been done, and if not why? To me that's like saying why not just get a bigger wing instead of adding endplates to one. Endplates make a wing much more effective, so I was wondering if the same would happen with a spoiler.
Also a wider or longer spoiler will add more drag as well. If I add 'endplates' to this one I don't have to make a new spoiler, and maybe those endplates have an improved down force to drag ratio compared to making a larger spoiler.

guess I'll just try it myself!
Old Mar 24, 2018 | 07:25 AM
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Google Jeff Keisel and his EM car. Must be worth something for him to do it.
Old Mar 26, 2018 | 06:01 AM
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Endplates have also another interesting effect if you think the car when cornering (or even sliding). Downforce in straight line does not matter much.
Old Mar 26, 2018 | 01:11 PM
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What is this, "interesting effect"?
Old Mar 26, 2018 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MiataMan00
What is this, "interesting effect"?
thrust vectoring.
Old Mar 26, 2018 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by HarryB
Endplates have also another interesting effect if you think the car when cornering (or even sliding). Downforce in straight line does not matter much.
Until you get to the braking zone, then it's critical to lap times.
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Old Mar 26, 2018 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ryansmoneypit
thrust vectoring.
enlighten me? Unless the high pressure region on top of the wing is lower than the "thrust" trying to enter, I dont see how this is a thing, especially with larger endplates. Or am I missing something?
Old Mar 26, 2018 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MiataMan00


enlighten me? Unless the high pressure region on top of the wing is lower than the "thrust" trying to enter, I dont see how this is a thing, especially with larger endplates. Or am I missing something?
I was half kidding with that but... if you consider how hard the end-plates might try to straighten the car out when its sideways, then maybe that term loosely applies.
Old Mar 27, 2018 | 06:22 AM
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That. Depends on the relative size of endplates of course (and their stiffness), but it can be pretty significant. Also, Emilio is (as usual) right, I should have said "excluding braking"

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Old Mar 27, 2018 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ryansmoneypit
I was half kidding with that but... if you consider how hard the end-plates might try to straighten the car out when its sideways, then maybe that term loosely applies.
That's half the picture, big end plates also turn the car as you turn the steering wheel.
Old Mar 27, 2018 | 03:42 PM
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Big end plates do look like a rudder.

Old Mar 27, 2018 | 06:06 PM
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i like that ^
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Old Mar 27, 2018 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by lightyear
*coming up to a right hand turn*
"Avast! Reverse engines! Broach to starboard!"
Old Mar 28, 2018 | 03:45 AM
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Speaking of...who said active aero should be limited on the horizontal plane of the wing anyways? That's something my ex-FSAE team is actually experimenting with.
Old Mar 28, 2018 | 08:43 AM
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IIRC both Porsche and Audi had some cheater end plates on their LMP1 a few years ago where there was some amount of "deflection".
Old Mar 28, 2018 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Blackbird
IIRC both Porsche and Audi had some cheater end plates on their LMP1 a few years ago where there was some amount of "deflection".
Toyota and Porsche both had rear body work that flexed down at high speed to reduce the wing angle. Porsche's got caught before the race and they had to fix the issue, Toyota did not get caught and ran the 24hrs of LeMan with it.

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Old Mar 28, 2018 | 10:26 AM
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Yes, there was that, but also this -
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Old Mar 28, 2018 | 07:37 PM
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NASCAR COT end plates are mini wings (not flat). Granted, these only turn left, but the end plates definitely are part of the steering mechanism.
Old Mar 29, 2018 | 07:05 AM
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The car finally is on its wheels, so I had to wheel it out for some pics.

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Old Mar 29, 2018 | 07:19 AM
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Really professional looking. The fastback really helps the lines of the car.

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