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Stephanie Turner 04-07-2011 09:53 AM

The castings, I was told I would have last Friday, did not turn out. Corky said something about the metal was too cold when poured, so they have to redo it. I will get an updated ETA from him.
Stephanie

TurboTim 04-07-2011 10:12 AM

You guys need to stop screwing around and invest in your own in house foundry. Seriously.

Stephanie Turner 04-07-2011 01:44 PM

The Foundry just said they are pouring new ones today.
Stephanie

leatherface24 04-07-2011 02:18 PM

In the time its taken to do this, I have gone through 2 miatas, blown two built engines and am in the process of parting out my msm and buying another NA....

shlammed 04-08-2011 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by leatherface24 (Post 711640)
In the time its taken to do this, I have gone through 2 miatas, blown two built engines and am in the process of parting out my msm and buying another NA....

sweet

Stephanie Turner 05-04-2011 03:14 PM

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Look what showed up last week!

The new manifold is almost build and ready for in house testing. In building the new manifold we have determined that the castings will work well and make it significantly faster to produce than a sheet metal manifold. So, more castings have been ordered! :D
Stephanie

chokeasphyxia 05-04-2011 03:17 PM

Look like some kind of larvae, interested to see finished product.

miatauser884 05-04-2011 03:29 PM

Any pricing info yet?

Stephanie Turner 05-04-2011 04:08 PM

Will know more later this week, once I have the final time to fabricate it.
Stephanie

leatherface24 05-04-2011 04:26 PM

reminds me of this lol

http://www.classicamiga.com/images/s...hot)(load).png

Braineack 06-07-2011 01:47 PM

looky here:


The new BEGI Intake Manifold with the cast runners is made and off to powder coating. It will be installed and dyno tested within the next week. More castings have been ordered and manifolds will be available for purchase on the website in about 10 days!
http://www.bellengineering.net/templ...e/P5080004.JPG

http://www.bellengineering.net/templ...e/P5080006.JPG

y8s 06-07-2011 02:05 PM

I just had a brilliant idea

connect the plenum to the runners underneath and add a set of butterfly valves that....

nevermind.

Der_Idiot 06-08-2011 04:23 PM

ETA on dyno data?

falcon 06-08-2011 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 735448)
I just had a brilliant idea

connect the plenum to the runners underneath and add a set of butterfly valves that....

nevermind.

you're onto something. long runners for mid-range and the butterflys open at 6-7k. Like the GSR manifold.

Der_Idiot 06-10-2011 02:27 PM

I think he's talking about the NB VICS intake manifold. Lol..

falcon 06-14-2011 12:52 AM

It's almost been a week.

Any news?

BenR 06-14-2011 11:35 AM

In a thread that's over 3 years old you're worried about not getting an update in the last week?

shlammed 06-14-2011 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by BenR (Post 737405)
In a thread that's over 3 years old you're worried about not getting an update in the last week?




The new BEGI Intake Manifold with the cast runners is made and off to powder coating. It will be installed and dyno tested within the next week. More castings have been ordered and manifolds will be available for purchase on the website in about 10 days!
:noob:

BenR 06-14-2011 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by shlammed (Post 737408)
:noob:


:laugh:


You must be new to Begi.

:noob:

y8s 06-14-2011 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Der_Idiot (Post 736416)
I think he's talking about the NB VICS intake manifold. Lol..

nah, that doesn't use different main runners. it just leverages helmholz resonance.

unless you've done the "mod"...

before:
http://www.targamiata.com/images_lrg/img_3639.jpg

after
http://www.targamiata.com/images_lrg/img_3643.jpg

Stephanie Turner 06-15-2011 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Der_Idiot (Post 735867)
ETA on dyno data?

It has been tested, but I have not been in the office to see the results.
I will do that tomorrow!

And don't give me no crap about the color either! It is "BEGi Yellow". :)
Stephanie

BenR 06-16-2011 12:32 AM

nice heat shielding! more info?

1vicissitude 06-21-2011 11:50 AM

Get to those dynos yet?

aaronc7 06-21-2011 01:36 PM

why you gotta tease us like this

ianferrell 07-19-2011 05:43 PM

Monthly thread bump... I'm guessing it didn't make they power they were looking for so they're hoping we all forget about it :) Or... is Stephanie on an extended vacation and still hasn't seen the results :)

aaronc7 08-17-2011 06:06 PM

fail

..?

hochkis 09-30-2011 08:38 PM

bump for results, so i don't have to make a franken-honda manifold.

FRT_Fun 09-30-2011 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by Stephanie Turner (Post 738020)
It has been tested, but I have not been in the office to see the results.
I will do that tomorrow!

And don't give me no crap about the color either! It is "BEGi Yellow". :)
Stephanie


OMG! More stuff has fallen into the stewart paradox. Don't worry, the results will be posted tomorrow... forever.

hochkis 10-01-2011 11:51 PM


Originally Posted by FRT_Fun (Post 778190)
OMG! More stuff has fallen into the stewart paradox. Don't worry, the results will be posted tomorrow... forever.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :sad2:

aaronc7 10-02-2011 09:09 AM

2 weeks

yellowihss 11-10-2011 06:36 PM

Another month.

Any news?

yellowihss 01-24-2012 09:29 PM

Any news?

Corky Bell 01-24-2012 10:21 PM

Our straight tube guy works well above 5000 rpm. Adds a nice 5 to 8%. However, about 3 or 4 % is lost between 4,000 revs and 5,000 revs.

I now have more respect for Mazda's intake manifold designer.

I am absolutely certain my next version will work perfectly everywhere, everywhere, everywhere, everywhere............

Corky

Faeflora 01-24-2012 10:51 PM


Originally Posted by Corky Bell (Post 825967)
Our straight tube guy works well above 5000 rpm. Adds a nice 5 to 8%. However, about 3 or 4 % is lost between 4,000 revs and 5,000 revs.

I now have more respect for Mazda's intake manifold designer.

I am absolutely certain my next version will work perfectly everywhere, everywhere, everywhere, everywhere............

Corky


Screw that. Just make a badass intake manifold for the 300+++ HP club not these 200hp plebes.

yellowihss 01-24-2012 10:55 PM


Originally Posted by Faeflora (Post 825995)
Screw that. Just make a badass intake manifold for the 300+++ HP club not these 200hp plebes.

This!

TURNS101 01-27-2012 08:46 PM

:)

paNX2K&SE-R 03-01-2012 09:46 AM

Any updates on the progress?

BenR 03-10-2012 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by paNX2K&SE-R (Post 841847)
Any updates on the progress?



Either they don't care about the cheapass miata crowd, or they found it's too difficult to put all the pieces in the same box at the same time.

Faeflora 03-11-2012 04:08 AM


Originally Posted by BenR (Post 846298)
Either they don't care about the cheapass miata crowd, or they found it's too difficult to put all the pieces in the same box at the same time.



Fu the cheapass crowd. There are so many people on here with built motors. Big powa glowwwyuyy!!

Moffitt 03-13-2012 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by faeflora (Post 825995)
screw that. Just make a badass intake manifold for the 300+++ hp club not these 200hp plebes.

this

Turbonator 03-25-2013 11:27 AM

I think Il just stick with my 01 manifold.

Downmented 02-19-2016 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by Stephanie Turner (Post 738020)
It has been tested, but I have not been in the office to see the results.
I will do that tomorrow!

And don't give me no crap about the color either! It is "BEGi Yellow". :)
Stephanie


Originally Posted by Corky Bell (Post 825967)
Our straight tube guy works well above 5000 rpm. Adds a nice 5 to 8%. However, about 3 or 4 % is lost between 4,000 revs and 5,000 revs.

I now have more respect for Mazda's intake manifold designer.

I am absolutely certain my next version will work perfectly everywhere, everywhere, everywhere, everywhere............

Corky


4-5yr old thread bump-

So after searching, and finding only a few threads with very little legitimate information (if there is info ive missed please share it with me) I am trying to figure out whether the above manifold mentioned by Corky is the current version, or if a more efficient manifold has been designed.

Also, the description for the manifold listed on the site is very vague in regards to performance of the manifold. You say the lower HP guys will lost HP and that more than 270hp is needed to see gains from the manifold. Where in the RPM range are those gains typically seen? And what sort of gains are we looking at?

Stephanie Turner 02-19-2016 01:59 PM

The manifold mentioned by me above, it is not in production. The bent runner manifold.....

The manifold mentioned by Corky, the straight runner, is in production. That is the only one we produce. The gains you will see with the manifold are usually 4500-5000 rpm to the revlimiter. Depending on the engine and modifications, gains are usually 20+ horsepower. We have always tested and seen about a 20 hp gain over a stock intake manifold. That said, I don't have a lot of dyno sheets for this particular part. But I've never seen less than 20 hp.
Hope it helps,
Stephanie

18psi 02-19-2016 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by Stephanie Turner (Post 1309208)
The manifold mentioned by me above, it is not in production. The bent runner manifold.....

The manifold mentioned by Corky, the straight runner, is in production. That is the only one we produce. The gains you will see with the manifold are usually 4500-5000 rpm to the revlimiter. Depending on the engine and modifications, gains are usually 20+ horsepower. We have always tested and seen about a 20 hp gain over a stock intake manifold. That said, I don't have a lot of dyno sheets for this particular part. But I've never seen less than 20 hp.
Hope it helps,
Stephanie

So you definitely have a few then.
Let's see them.

Stephanie Turner 02-19-2016 02:24 PM

My server crashed a few weeks ago, and dyno sheets is one of the folders not backed up along with some photos. I will see if I can get the data off the drive. The last dyno sheet that was sent to me, and the one I am looking for, was a friend of Braineak's. Brad? It was a 1.6L, GT2560 running 14 psi - if I remember the details. I know it was posted on the forum back in early to mid 2009.
Stephanie

Braineack 02-19-2016 02:44 PM

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was a 1.6L running a 2871

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1455911079


trying to find the before. or maybe this was the before...

Downmented 02-19-2016 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1309236)
was a 1.6L running a 2871

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1455911079


trying to find the before. or maybe this was the before...

Any explanation for the drop ~4700rpm?

Braineack 02-19-2016 02:52 PM

yeha this was the before, i know he hit 261rwhp when we went back to the dyno with no other changes:

https://www.miataturbo.net/dynos-tim...261rwhp-35950/

Braineack 02-19-2016 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by Downmented (Post 1309240)
Any explanation for the drop ~4700rpm?

boost control issues. this was back on MS1 and it was running open loop EBC that wasn't playing nicely on the dyno. it was tuned agressively to help spool on street, but on that tdyno it was causing it to spike.

18psi 02-19-2016 02:56 PM

so 247 to 261 is still not 20
and I'm assuming that was with everything else completely unchanged?

Braineack 02-19-2016 02:59 PM

just slapped it on and went back to dyno.

I want BEGi to find the mold to the old cast one and release it again. That IM was a winner.

Stephanie Turner 02-19-2016 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1309245)
so 247 to 261 is still not 20
and I'm assuming that was with everything else completely unchanged?

I could have sworn power was 270 ish hp. I will still try and retrieve it, I know there is a copy somewhere here. Maybe I am thinking of another car as I was wrong with the turbo. It was 6 years ago! LOL. My apologies for being wrong. I will still try and retrieve it, I know there is a copy somewhere here. It's not on my old computer, so it must be a server file I need to retrieve.
Stephanie

Stephanie Turner 02-19-2016 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1309246)
I want BEGi to find the mold to the old cast one and release it again. That IM was a winner.

I AGREE 100%!!!!!!

We have had a problem finding a quality aluminum foundry here in Texas to do these. The last two foundries sent us crap for castings. I will have to look out of state to see what I can find. We still have the pattern, so it's do-able if I can get around Corky and the foundry does not require pouring more than 10 pieces at a time.
Stephanie

FrankB 02-19-2016 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1309246)
I want BEGi to find the mold to the old cast one and release it again. That IM was a winner.

^THIS^

Braineack 02-20-2016 12:29 PM

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here I found it:


https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1455989340

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1455989340

i have the log file, it's showing a peak of about 220kPa, dropping to 200kPa at redline.

so about 17psi dropping to 14psi.

18psi 02-20-2016 12:38 PM

so it gains topend and sacrifices lowend. looks about right
and this is vs the 1.6 mani
I wonder if it would be better than a flattop

Braineack 02-20-2016 02:42 PM

yeah this was a on 1.6L.

this was a really primative build.

MS1. batch fueling. 550cc Rx7 injectors. Open loop EBC that wasn't working well.

I think this thing had potential for huge gains up top, but he decided to sell it shortly after this.

18psi 02-20-2016 02:48 PM

Yeah, It's pretty hard to be relevant in today's technology and marketplace when all the "results" are from 7 years ago using technology most here don't even use anymore because it's outdated and retired.

17psi for 230wtq would get laughed at today.

if they bring the old one back I hope someone does proper, modern, testing.
Kinda hard to spend $700 on a part that may or may not make another 15hp

shuiend 02-20-2016 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1309509)
Yeah, It's pretty hard to be relevant in today's technology and marketplace when all the "results" are from 7 years ago using technology most here don't even use anymore because it's outdated and retired.

17psi for 230wtq would get laughed at today.

if they bring the old one back I hope someone does proper, modern, testing.
Kinda hard to spend $700 on a part that may or may not make another 15hp

One day I may do testing between my begi cast manifold and a flat top.

Braineack 02-20-2016 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1309509)
Kinda hard to spend $700 on a part that may or may not make another 15hp

that thing was awesome:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1456001509

99 motor, swapped to cast BEGI IM -- no other changes. Others had similar results, even the FM testing back in the day showed major gains.


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