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concealer404 11-17-2017 12:06 PM

If you can't quantify the difference between what i think the intended use of your car is and that of a drag car, then you're beyond saving.

sixshooter 11-17-2017 01:40 PM

I've seen the size of the oil orifice in the top of the block at the head gasket where it feeds oil to the Head. It is already quite small. Taking a lot of that oil away from the cams and valves might be a bit of an issue. And if you have a journal bearing turbo that might limit your oil a little as well.

psyber_0ptix 11-17-2017 01:56 PM

Just because it can run, doesn't mean that it's correct or ideal. Sabotaging your lubrication for your quest to 400hp seems a bit counterintuitive.

Meh. I lost interest.

elior77 11-18-2017 03:10 AM

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psyber_0ptix 11-18-2017 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1084924)
As clean as the head port is, I don't like it. The head is fed through a fairly small orifice, so the pressure/flow is already restricted, and pulling from that doesn't seem like a good idea (and the data that DKMakinson posted backs that up).

There's also the fact that Mazda went through the hassle of re-drilling and re-tapping those ports in the block when they did the MSM, instead of just pulling the oil from the head. We'll be sticking with a block feed for our kits.

It's been mentioned that the limited edition 01 turbo miatas by Mazda Australia isn't the same company that built the MSM.

Read Joe's last comment on that thread. It makes sense.

sonofthehill 11-18-2017 01:20 PM

I wouldn't do that. Look, the orifice in the block that feeds the head was sized to give the head proper flow. It is true that there's probably some over engineering, safety factor there :dunno: That would be like intentionally running a smaller oil feed restrictor than the correct size to your turbo. Just doesn't seem like the best idea to me.

Maybe oil flows better to the head in Oz :bowrofl:

nitrodann 11-18-2017 09:39 PM

We've done over 100 easily.

We have had a bunch apart years after doing them and the cam journals and all wear surfaces look normal.

It's a super clean way to do it and seems to work fine... But that's just like... my opinion, man.

Dann

elior77 11-19-2017 04:17 AM

Thanks for the input Dan, I think I'll keep me sexy oil line :)

patsmx5 11-19-2017 02:18 PM

I too have looked at that spot, and was gonna use it till I realized the whole block/restrictor thing and then I didn't. Interesting that others are running it without issue though. Has anyone measured oil pressure out of that spot? I can't imagine it being as high as pulling from the usual location.

nitrodann 11-19-2017 04:40 PM

You get a few litres a minute no prob.

Dann

elior77 11-21-2017 03:53 AM

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More progress, the engine is in not much left :)

psyber_0ptix 11-21-2017 06:54 AM

Might want to try AN Fuel Line adapters instead of electric tape.

Hey, check out those AN fuel line adapters if you don't already have them!


Edit: im crabby because enough people in my branch conveniently called out "sick" to the point where I'm sitting idle without support to finish projects.

I can't even doodle on SolidWorks because licenses haven't been updated.

sixshooter 11-21-2017 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix (Post 1452750)
Might want to try AN Fuel Line adapters instead of electric tape.

Don't get so caught up on the details, man.

lol

I was thinking the vacuum/boost reference line needed to be secured on the barb fittings when I saw it. I use small zip ties.

ryansmoneypit 11-21-2017 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix (Post 1452750)
I can't even doodle on SolidWorks because licenses haven't been updated.

Download Fusion 360, free for small business and students, about 99% of what solid works does with a very similar interface. I really like it.

DNMakinson 11-22-2017 08:24 AM

On the turbo oil feed. I have been running that for 10k street miles. Small journal turbo with a 1mm restrictor at the turbo feed. I have not pulled the valve cover since install.

I moved my OEM (1999) oil pressure switch to the head port on the opposite side. It always registers with the engine on, so that would indicate no less than 7psi at the head gallery.

I ran preliminary pressure tests on that port years ago, but Brain questioned my methodology.

Perhaps putting the gauge at the port where I now have my switch would be a good way to put this discussion to bed? Test pressure with and without the turbo feed, and that would tell if the head gallery is being starved.

elior77 12-04-2017 05:52 AM

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sonofthehill 12-04-2017 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1452966)
Perhaps putting the gauge at the port where I now have my switch would be a good way to put this discussion to bed? Test pressure with and without the turbo feed, and that would tell if the head gallery is being starved.

No. The only way to put this discussion to bed is to run a T for the pressure gauge while feeding your turbo from it as well. After doing what you suggested. Better make it a pressure sensor so you can log during actual operating conditions.

However Dan suggested that drag cars have gone many miles without issues in that configuration. I will run the block feed on the intake side personally.

elior77 12-04-2017 02:22 PM

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18psi 12-04-2017 03:28 PM

are those rubber hoses? lololol

Girz0r 12-04-2017 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1455072)
are those rubber hoses? lololol

You don't like balloons?

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