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Old 04-07-2016, 09:16 AM   #101
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At this point I am starting with wish I had gotten some sort of kit. Not because of the poor quality but because of missing parts. Having to make 4 trips to the hardware store for 5$ parts is pretty irritating. They didn't give me a drain flange so I welded one up from flat stock and pipe. Used a piece of the oem exhaust header gasket as a gasket. Also made the wg bracket yesterday which took way longer than it should have.



so what gasket are you using between the exhaust manifold and head now if you cut your oe one up to **** because you bought cheap **** parts?
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Old 04-07-2016, 09:19 AM   #102
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Also no individual turbo you buy will come with a oil drain flange. That is something that you always have to go purchase on your own. ATPTurbo is your friend for those things. Part of the allure to buying a kit from a vendor is that you get all the things you actually need. You pay a higher premium for it, but it saves you time and frustration.
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Old 04-07-2016, 09:20 AM   #103
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just wait til all the parts start breaking too. it will be even more frustrating
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Old 04-07-2016, 09:22 AM   #104
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just wait til all the parts start breaking too. it will be even more frustrating
SHHHH! It is a learning experience for him and for others to see what works and does not work.
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Old 04-07-2016, 09:26 AM   #105
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oh, right.
we're all gonna learn from dis

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Old 04-07-2016, 09:28 AM   #106
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Learn who they give engineering degrees to these days..
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:44 AM   #107
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Learn who they give engineering degrees to these days..


Seriously though, this is not good. IMHO and from my experience many academic institutions have started to consider students their bread and butter customers, with a customer is always right mentality.
This is the result, master "enginears" and PhD scientists with no clue. Also demonstrates the difference between someone with a modern engineering degree and a real PE.
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:54 AM   #108
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My business card has engineer in my title. I cannot math at all, I don't consider myself an engineer because of that. So I don't call myself an engineer. At least in the IT field it has gotten to the point that every position is some sort of "engineer" and it makes me go crazy.

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Old 04-07-2016, 11:04 AM   #109
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That's what Dann is getting at - everyone these days is an engineer.

I don't even think the word means anything anymore for the most part.

I mean this guy looks at the cheapest, crappiest, manifold ever made, and goes "in my professional opinion, it looks well made".

We should outsource engineering degrees to china too, I bet their sweat shops are filled with nothing but ENGINEARS
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There needs to be better legal protection (and enforcement) of the title "Engineer" in the U.S.

If your not a certified PE, you shouldn't be able to use the title "engineer" at all. It would greatly increase certification rates and eliminate all of these people graduating from ENGINEARing programs (not ABET certified) and calling themselves engineers.

Yes thats just a personal opinion...but an informed one. I work with many people who call themselves an engineer and not know any actual technical knowledge other than second hand knowledge gained from talking to real engineers. The problem isn't a new one, some of these people have "been in the business for 30 years", without a real degree.

Anyways...nice manifold bruh
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Old 04-07-2016, 12:32 PM   #111
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There needs to be better legal protection (and enforcement) of the title "Engineer" in the U.S.

If your not a certified PE, you shouldn't be able to use the title "engineer" at all. It would greatly increase certification rates and eliminate all of these people graduating from ENGINEARing programs (not ABET certified) and calling themselves engineers.

Yes thats just a personal opinion...but an informed one. I work with many people who call themselves an engineer and not know any actual technical knowledge other than second hand knowledge gained from talking to real engineers. The problem isn't a new one, some of these people have "been in the business for 30 years", without a real degree.

Anyways...nice manifold bruh
30 years experience > Degree
At least those 30 years of experience guys have the real world application down..not the theory with no actual knowledge of applying it.
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Old 04-07-2016, 12:33 PM   #112
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30 years experience > Degree
At least those 30 years of experience guys have the real world application down..not the theory with no actual knowledge of applying it.
+1. Too many people graduate and take a certification test. I would take someone with experience over someone who got certified any day.
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Old 04-07-2016, 12:46 PM   #113
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30 years experience > Degree
At least those 30 years of experience guys have the real world application down..not the theory with no actual knowledge of applying it.
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+1. Too many people graduate and take a certification test. I would take someone with experience over someone who got certified any day.
Totally agree with both of you. I deal with entry level engineers on a daily basis.. Experience speaks for itself with the 30+ year guys. That being said hopefully said engineer learns and adapts.
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I am an Engifar.



What did there, do you see it?
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30 years experience > Degree
At least those 30 years of experience guys have the real world application down..not the theory with no actual knowledge of applying it.
I never said degree > experience, that would be ridiculous.

Both experience and knowledge are important. I see too many highly experienced people making the same mistakes over and over again.

You would take the guy who has been doing the wrong thing for 30 years over the person with a couple years experience who actually knows how to properly engineer things? Hopefully not...

When you see a group of "highly-experienced" individuals make the same $1M+ DOLLAR mistakes 3 times in a matter of a couple years, your would know what I'm talking about. When their components were tested, they have failed the same way over and over again.
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we are a highly trained group of engitrollineers with years of experience in the field
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Old 04-07-2016, 02:59 PM   #117
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Hey guys, I just want to clarify that I'm not a PE and don't claim or plan to be one. The program I attended is ABET certified though. You need to realize that this whole thread is me trolling, while also trying to build a half assed car for cheap. I don't have alot of experience in the field as I'm recently graduated and I don't claim to be experienced. I'm sorry if this thread is actually offending you. This thread should not be used to reflect on the knowledge of engineers or people working in industry. To further your frustration, I have a pic of some welds that look extremely high quality in my professional opinion. They were done with an $80 harbor freight welder that I picked up.

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Not bad for a hf welder.
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I like this guy

just engineer an open downpipe and hang the oxygen sensor where the connector now hangs, you'll be fine
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You would take the guy who has been doing the wrong thing for 30 years over the person with a couple years experience who actually knows how to properly engineer things? Hopefully not...
Nobody pays someone to do the wrong thing for 30 years. If someone has been doing a job 30 years, they're probably pretty good at it. Few things frustrate me more than a green engineer with no real-world experience who thinks that their degree gives them carte blanche to tell experienced veterans how their jobs should be done.
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