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Bajingo 09-24-2021 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by dieselmiata (Post 1609258)
Because Trump was unhinged, immature, stoked conspiracy theories...

Unhinged I is subjective stupidity, I'd call biden unhinged.
immature, I guess didn't ever seem to be a problem.
but what conspiracy theories did he stoke? I'm legitimately curious.

dieselmiata 09-24-2021 11:20 AM

Same scenario on the R side of the house. Trump rode a populist wave and pushed all of the sane R's out of the running. Just because A sucks doesn't mean B doesn't also suck.

I've been in The Navy for 22 years now. I know some pretty high level brass. When they tell me that they're genuinely worried about who's at the helm, I listen. There's arguments from everyone on both sides for why THEY voted the way they did. This is mine.

dieselmiata 09-24-2021 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by Bajingo (Post 1609260)
Unhinged I is subjective stupidity, I'd call biden unhinged.
immature, I guess didn't ever seem to be a problem.
but what conspiracy theories did he stoke? I'm legitimately curious.

The Obama birther thing for starters.

Edit: more recently, the "rigged" election.

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cordycord 09-24-2021 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by dieselmiata (Post 1609261)
Same scenario on the R side of the house. Trump rode a populist wave and pushed all of the sane R's out of the running. Just because A sucks doesn't mean B doesn't also suck.

I've been in The Navy for 22 years now. I know some pretty high level brass. When they tell me that they're genuinely worried about who's at the helm, I listen. There's arguments from everyone on both sides for why THEY voted the way they did. This is mine.

I don't like A or B. When I voted for Trump, I voted for a NON-POLITICIAN. It worked. The results speak for themselves. The fact that every promise he made he kept, while at the same time fighting the Deep State bullshit from the left and the right. I'd love for him to come back and CLEAN HOUSE.

dieselmiata 09-24-2021 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by cordycord (Post 1609265)
The fact that every promise he made he kept


Hard disagree.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...r/?ruling=true

good2go 09-24-2021 11:52 AM

^^ As if any fact checking (especially political) can be believed at face value.

dieselmiata 09-24-2021 11:56 AM

Every one of those can be independently checked. Don't be lazy and disregard it because it doesn't fit your view.

good2go 09-24-2021 12:05 PM

You mean like how the description of "mostly peaceful" protesting didn't fit my view? Myopia works on both sides; the left just seamlessly controls the media that promotes their take.

dieselmiata 09-24-2021 12:11 PM

No.

I disregarded your concept of "mostly peaceful" because there were fatalities.

You're changing the subject because you're still upset about an argument several weeks ago.

None of that changes that any one of those broken promises can be fact checked. It's not a "Left" thing.

As if "The Left" is some sort of homogenous group.


good2go 09-24-2021 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by dieselmiata (Post 1609275)

...you're still upset about an argument several weeks ago.

...

I literally have no idea what you are referring to there. :dunno:

As you well know, data can be cherry picked to support nearly any conclusion you set out to prove. Can you seriously deny the media has not been hell bent on reporting (or not reporting) news in such a manner as to present all things Trump in the worst possible light?

Braineack 09-24-2021 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by dieselmiata (Post 1609258)
Because Trump was unhinged, immature, stoked conspiracy theories...

Lesser of 2 evils and all that noise.

Make Politics Boring Again.

One of the most hilarious things I've read since Mar of 2020.

Braineack 09-24-2021 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by dieselmiata (Post 1609261)
Same scenario on the R side of the house. Trump rode a populist wave and pushed all of the sane R's out of the running. Just because A sucks doesn't mean B doesn't also suck.

Trump was -- and still is -- INSANELY popular and beat out the RNC establishment. Biden was put into position by the DNC.

Braineack 09-24-2021 12:58 PM












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dieselmiata 09-24-2021 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by good2go (Post 1609277)

As you well know, data can be cherry picked to support nearly any conclusion you set out to prove. Can you seriously deny the media has not been hell bent on reporting (or not reporting) news in such a manner as to present all things Trump in the worst possible light?


No, I won't deny that because it's true.

But that's also not the discussion at hand. The assertion was made that Trump kept all of his promises. I provided proof that that is a false assertion. You appear to be asserting that my proof is false, so please provide your proof. Saying "nuh-uh, deepstate leftist media" does not refute that Trump did not keep many of his promises.

Braineack 09-24-2021 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by dieselmiata (Post 1609283)
But that's also not the discussion at hand. The assertion was made that Trump kept all of his promises. I provided proof that that is a false assertion. You appear to be asserting that my proof is false, so please provide your proof. Saying "nuh-uh, deepstate leftist media" does not refute that Trump did not keep many of his promises.

It's okay, we installed a Chinese and Russian sympathizer who blatantly lies [when he's allowed the talk and can form sentences]. So all is going very well right now.

deezums 09-24-2021 01:11 PM

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...r/?ruling=true

Biden's not broken one promise thus far?

Why's politifact not mention the reneging on vaccine requirements? Is it because it's a biased media company? Strange. And that's what you are basing your entire argument on at this point?

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-...r-2020-1627774

dieselmiata 09-24-2021 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by deezums (Post 1609285)
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...r/?ruling=true

Biden's not broken one promise thus far?

Why's politifact not mention the reneging on vaccine requirements? Is it because it's a biased media company? Strange. And that's what you are basing your entire argument on at this point?

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-...r-2020-1627774

Whataboutism at it's finest. I never made any claim that Biden doesn't lie or break promises. In fact, he's already broken the ones that I actually hoped he would do something about (healthcare and college debt)

I used politifact because they have an easy to read compiled list. That does not change the content. My "entire argument" is that Trump did not uphold his promises. That is easily verified. Pick your source, you'll find that I'm correct.

You keep trying to turn this into a "you hate Trump so you must love Biden" thing. The world is not binary and politics isn't supposed to be a team sport.

Diamond Dave 09-24-2021 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by dieselmiata (Post 1609258)
Because Trump was unhinged, immature, stoked conspiracy theories...

Lesser of 2 evils and all that noise.

Make Politics Boring Again.

NOTE: I could care less who you voted for. If you willingly voted for Joe Biden, please feel free to share what you are most excited about that he has accomplished this last month.

However, I'd like to unpack this for a moment. Those are all inflammatory, emotion statements that are repeated by the mainstream media ad nauseam. The Left media has become famous for "these are my feelings and therefore it is fact and you are hurting me, so you are wrong and must stop what you are doing". Your position comes off very thin with an emotion only response.

Can you share one example each that demonstrate your position?

dieselmiata 09-24-2021 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by Diamond Dave (Post 1609287)
NOTE: I could care less who you voted for. If you willingly voted for Joe Biden, please feel free to share what you are most excited about that he has accomplished this last month.

However, I'd like to unpack this for a moment. Those are all inflammatory, emotion statements that are repeated by the mainstream media ad nauseam. The Left media has become famous for "these are my feelings and therefore it is fact and you are hurting me, so you are wrong and must stop what you are doing". Your position comes off very thin with an emotion only response.

Can you share one example each that demonstrate your position?

"what you are most excited about that he has accomplished this last month" Got us out of Afghanistan. I did 2 tours there. I lost friends there. Everyone has talked about getting us out, and he did it.

Not sure why I'm bothering, but here are small examples IMO. I've already stated 2 conspiracies he pushed so I won't revisit that.

Unhinged: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017...ump-boy-scouts

Immature:
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2febdf5b00.jpg





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