Notices
Current Events, News, Politics Keep the politics here.

The Current Events, News, and Politics Thread

Old Aug 17, 2022 | 05:35 PM
  #27321  
stratosteve's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,067
Total Cats: 204
From: Marylandistan
Default

Originally Posted by Joe Perez
So, this is legitimately interesting.

The Washington Post just printed an article talking about how Planned Parenthood is planning to spend $50 million (a record) on the midterm elections this year. Which is unsurprising.

But, it occurred to me... how is Planned Parenthood allowed to spend any money at all on electoral campaigns?

A quick dive into their most recent annual report discloses that their largest single source of revenue (at 38% of total) comes in the form of Grants and Reimbursements from government health services (both state and Federal).

While this clearly cannot be illegal (they've been a huge political campaign finance source for years), it's only just now occurred to me how odd it is that tax dollars are being spent on political campaigns. I'm assuming that this is direct spending, rather than campaign contributions, but still...

I would genuinely love to sit down and have a beer with the attorney who figured out how to do that.
Now do Ukraine
Old Aug 17, 2022 | 06:34 PM
  #27322  
Joe Perez's Avatar
Boost Pope
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 34,402
Total Cats: 7,523
From: Chicago. (The less-murder part.)
Default

Originally Posted by cordycord
Joe Joe Joe.....this is the wash / rinse / repeat cycle. It's made famous by government monopolies (teacher's unions, prison guard unions, power and utility unions) spending PAC money to elect their government lackeys of choice, who then support programs that funnel money to their government monopolies of choice. See the latest legislation that passed for details, and ask yourself how each item added allows the government to either take more in taxes or have more control over corporations and even markets. Central Planning using the funds of the little guy against them...utter perfection.
I see this situation as different.

You're talking about special-interest groups (unions) using their own money to buy politicians, and then expecting those politicians to funnel favors their way once they are in office.

I'm not saying that's fine, but it's different. In this case, the order of operations is quite a bit different. Government money is already flowing into an organization, and that organization is then using that exact money to buy politicians.

I'm guessing maybe this is one of those situation where you don't think the distinction matters, and from a philosophical / moral perspective I happen to agree.

But the courts don't care about philosophy and morality, they care about the law. Campaign finance is a heavily regulated and scrutinized thing.
Old Aug 17, 2022 | 06:38 PM
  #27323  
Joe Perez's Avatar
Boost Pope
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 34,402
Total Cats: 7,523
From: Chicago. (The less-murder part.)
Default

Originally Posted by stratosteve
Now do Ukraine
How much money is Ukraine spending to influence the 2022 US midterm elections?
Old Aug 17, 2022 | 07:08 PM
  #27324  
stratosteve's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,067
Total Cats: 204
From: Marylandistan
Default

Originally Posted by Joe Perez
How much money is Ukraine spending to influence the 2022 US midterm elections?
I remember reading somewhere that Ukraine was the largest foreign donor to the Clinton foundation. Of course googling this, produces every fact check org response. And it's the first items that come up.

I also remember reading weeks ago, that less than 30% of the US aid to Ukraine is actually making it to it's intended target.

Is it too much of a stretch to think some of that missing money isn't coming back in the form of campaign contributions or offshore accounts or 10% for the big guy? We are just raiding the treasury to dump billions of dollars to Ukraine with little oversight.
Old Aug 17, 2022 | 07:28 PM
  #27325  
18psi's Avatar
VladiTuned
iTrader: (76)
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 35,821
Total Cats: 3,482
Default

Most of my family is currently in Ukraine. They haven't seen a single dollar of "help" outside from what my family privately sends them. I'd be thoroughly impressed if even 0.000001% of people (non politicians) there actually saw a single dollar of help. Most of the money doesn't even make it across the pond, let alone through the wallets of the politicians there.
Old Aug 17, 2022 | 08:27 PM
  #27326  
Joe Perez's Avatar
Boost Pope
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 34,402
Total Cats: 7,523
From: Chicago. (The less-murder part.)
Default

Originally Posted by stratosteve
Is it too much of a stretch to think some of that missing money isn't coming back in the form of campaign contributions or offshore accounts or 10% for the big guy?
Hard to say, but I don't find it likely.

As 18psi notes, donations made at large scale rarely reach their intended recipients. I say "intended" meaning the ones which the organization doing the donating publicly stated would receive the donations.

Food aid to African nations largely winds up in the stomachs of warlords and militant gangs. Ditto medical supplies.

Financial aid tends to filter through the pockets of politicians and regulatory officials, and that's just government financial aid. On the private side, it may not even make it out of the bank accounts of the organizations which collected it.

Military assistance (training, weapons, ammunition) often does land in the intended hands, at least initially. It has a habit of then being passed on to arms-brokers, or used against the inhabitants of the countries we sent them to, once the tides of loyalty change.

Technology sent overseas, particularly to eastern and southern Asia, has a weird way of showing up on the market a year or two later with a different label on it.

Bibles... ok, those probably reach the folks who they were intended for.

But money being turned around by a foreign government and then re-gifted to the US politicians who authorized it in the first place? I can't really see the angle on that one. Better for the foreign politicians to just embezzle it outright.

Old Aug 17, 2022 | 09:07 PM
  #27327  
cordycord's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 3,400
Total Cats: 560
From: SoCal
Default

Originally Posted by Joe Perez
I see this situation as different.

You're talking about special-interest groups (unions) using their own money to buy politicians, and then expecting those politicians to funnel favors their way once they are in office.

I'm not saying that's fine, but it's different. In this case, the order of operations is quite a bit different. Government money is already flowing into an organization, and that organization is then using that exact money to buy politicians.

I'm guessing maybe this is one of those situation where you don't think the distinction matters, and from a philosophical / moral perspective I happen to agree.

But the courts don't care about philosophy and morality, they care about the law. Campaign finance is a heavily regulated and scrutinized thing.
I might agree with you, if they weren't government monopolies.

In other news, is it true that the Inflation Reduction Act has tax incentives for EV's (electric vehicles) of $7,500, or just about the same amount that Ford increased prices for their F150 Lightning and other EV's last week? Hmmm.....wonder if there's a coincidence.
Old Aug 17, 2022 | 10:32 PM
  #27328  
Joe Perez's Avatar
Boost Pope
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 34,402
Total Cats: 7,523
From: Chicago. (The less-murder part.)
Default

Originally Posted by cordycord
In other news, is it true that the Inflation Reduction Act has tax incentives for EV's (electric vehicles) of $7,500, or just about the same amount that Ford increased prices for their F150 Lightning and other EV's last week? Hmmm.....wonder if there's a coincidence.
I own a house which is either 110 or 114 years old. Official records disagree on this point. None of my neighbors will admit to having personally been around at the time to witness its construction.

It is situated on a lot which is approximately 6 feet wider than every other lot on this street. In the city, that is a huge deal. My lot is 33 feet wide, which is absolutely palatial by local standards. I have a property survey stamped by the city which attests to this fact.

I could choose to believe that some sort of conspiracy or collusion explains the origin of either discrepancy.
Old Aug 17, 2022 | 11:25 PM
  #27329  
cordycord's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 3,400
Total Cats: 560
From: SoCal
Default

Originally Posted by Joe Perez

I could choose to believe that some sort of conspiracy or collusion explains the origin of either discrepancy.
All of K Street is snickering...
Old Aug 18, 2022 | 04:50 PM
  #27330  
cordycord's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 3,400
Total Cats: 560
From: SoCal
Default

In breaking Southern California news, today there is NO low power warning. That's right, the news of the day is that for today only there is no Flex Alert. That is all....


Old Aug 19, 2022 | 08:20 AM
  #27331  
Braineack's Avatar
Thread Starter
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 80,552
Total Cats: 4,368
From: Chantilly, VA
Default

Obey the dark side.

Old Aug 19, 2022 | 08:21 AM
  #27332  
Braineack's Avatar
Thread Starter
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 80,552
Total Cats: 4,368
From: Chantilly, VA
Default

Originally Posted by 18psi
I'd be thoroughly impressed if even 0.000001% of people (non politicians) there actually saw a single dollar of help. Most of the money doesn't even make it across the pond, let alone through the wallets of the politicians there.
That's the whole point...
Old Aug 19, 2022 | 01:56 PM
  #27333  
cordycord's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 3,400
Total Cats: 560
From: SoCal
Default


Old Aug 19, 2022 | 02:00 PM
  #27334  
Braineack's Avatar
Thread Starter
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 80,552
Total Cats: 4,368
From: Chantilly, VA
Default

Scholars would tell you this means: strength.

Old Aug 19, 2022 | 02:04 PM
  #27335  
cordycord's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 3,400
Total Cats: 560
From: SoCal
Default

Originally Posted by Braineack
Scholars would tell you this means: strength.


On the plus side, that probably makes the population easier for the government to control...
Old Aug 19, 2022 | 02:05 PM
  #27336  
Bajingo's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 834
Total Cats: 193
From: Avl NC
Default

Divide and conquer seems to be the leftist idea currently.
Old Aug 20, 2022 | 02:57 PM
  #27337  
chiefmg's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,611
Total Cats: 1,157
Default


Old Aug 21, 2022 | 11:50 AM
  #27338  
Joe Perez's Avatar
Boost Pope
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 34,402
Total Cats: 7,523
From: Chicago. (The less-murder part.)
Default


Old Aug 21, 2022 | 09:04 PM
  #27339  
chiefmg's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,611
Total Cats: 1,157
Default


Old Aug 21, 2022 | 09:21 PM
  #27340  
Joe Perez's Avatar
Boost Pope
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 34,402
Total Cats: 7,523
From: Chicago. (The less-murder part.)
Default

Originally Posted by chiefmg
(clowns)
This strikes a chord with me.

Both because Bozo and Friends, and because she really weirded me out when we hosted the mayoral debate in studio 1 a few years ago.

She wasn't a primadonna or anything. More like a Zuckerberg, Like she was doing her best to pretend to be human.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:07 PM.