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Old Nov 2, 2016 | 12:13 PM
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All of you need to pick up this book and give it a read.

God damn IB messing up links again.

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Old Nov 2, 2016 | 01:02 PM
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Old Nov 2, 2016 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by shuiend
All of you need to pick up this book and give it a read.

​​​​​​​God damn IB messing up links again.
yours tried sending me to walmart

https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Rational...8103382&sr=8-1

How many pages is it and are they mostly pictures?
Old Nov 2, 2016 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by shuiend
All of you need to pick up this book and give it a read.

​​​​​​​God damn IB messing up links again.
Serious question:

The cover blurb, which makes reference to "calling into question our most basic assumptions about American politics," seems to imply that a majority of people ("our") believe that voters are fundamentally rational and predisposed to making informed decisions.

I don't assume this, nor can I think of many people who do, with those few being themselves especially shining examples of irrationality.


I'm curious as to how many people here genuinely believe that a significant percentage of voters (not just in America, but in any nation which holds elections and / or referendums) are to a significant extent well-informed about the candidates and policies for which they are voting, and make rational decisions about same.

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Old Nov 2, 2016 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
Serious question:

The cover blurb, which makes reference to "calling into question our most basic assumptions about American politics," seems to imply that a majority of people ("our") believe that voters are fundamental rational and predisposed to making informed decisions.

I don't assume this, nor can I think of many people who do, with those few being themselves especially shining examples of irrationality.


I'm curious as to how many people here genuinely believe that a significant percentage of voters (not just in America, but in any nation which holds elections and / or referendums) are to a significant extent well-informed about the candidates and policies for which they are voting, and make rational decisions about same.
I share this outlook and experience.
Old Nov 2, 2016 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by z31maniac
We already have term limits, it's called the ballot box.

The public stays unengaged and uninformed, we have the government we deserve.
Once you're in government, you're entrenched. Rich PAC's nd name recognition allow you to stay elected pretty much as long as you want, as long as you don't do anything truly stupid. Change prevents what we see now--political inbreeding.
Old Nov 2, 2016 | 01:31 PM
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Democrats on Blacks voting Repulican:




One of the most pervasive political visions of our time is the vision of liberals as compassionate and conservatives as less caring.
Thomas Sowell
Old Nov 2, 2016 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by hi_im_sean
yours tried sending me to walmart

https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Rational-Voter-Democracies-Policies/dp/0691138737/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1478103382&sr=8-1

How many pages is it and are they mostly pictures?

No clue on pages, but not a ton of pictures. I also sent Nolan a very angry message asking why it is going to walmart and not amazon. He is going get get it sorted out.

Originally Posted by Joe Perez
Serious question:

The cover blurb, which makes reference to "calling into question our most basic assumptions about American politics," seems to imply that a majority of people ("our") believe that voters are fundamental rational and predisposed to making informed decisions.

I don't assume this, nor can I think of many people who do, with those few being themselves especially shining examples of irrationality.


I'm curious as to how many people here genuinely believe that a significant percentage of voters (not just in America, but in any nation which holds elections and / or referendums) are to a significant extent well-informed about the candidates and policies for which they are voting, and make rational decisions about same.
He is using rational in the economic sense. Not that people make what other people think is a rational decision, but what the individual does. I don't think it is rational to inject heroin, and I would guess the vast majority of people would agree with that. But to a heroin addict, injecting is rational, because it offers the greatest benefit at that exact moment in time, they may regret it later, but when they made the choice to them it was the rational one.

Bryan goes into how most people don't actually make what would be considered "rational" choices, nor are they actually informed when they vote. The book is overall a good primer into Public Choice Theory.
Old Nov 2, 2016 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by cordycord
Once you're in government, you're entrenched. Rich PAC's nd name recognition allow you to stay elected pretty much as long as you want, as long as you don't do anything truly stupid. Change prevents what we see now--political inbreeding.
That's because the public is unegaged and uniformed. Or else they would pay attention to the corruption and vote them out.
Old Nov 2, 2016 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by shuiend
He is using rational in the economic sense. Not that people make what other people think is a rational decision, but what the individual does.
Yes, I understand that.

My point being: "I'm going to vote for Candidate X because they said [nice / mean] things about [group of people], and I agree with them!" despite the fact that Candidate X has a proven track record of [fraud / embezzlement / pork-barrel spending / destabilizing foreign relations / comitting capital crimes].


Or, more specifically here in Chicago, "I'm going to vote in favor of the Safe Roads Constitutional Amendment because the ad on TV said it'll prevent those fat cats in Springfield from pocketing my road tax revenue," when it fact it does precisely the opposite- officially enshrining the notion that vehicle and gasoline taxes can (and will) be diverted to funding administrative salaries, building more speed cameras, and propping up the airport authority.


I don't trust voters to see beyond the shiny surface of a campaign ad, and I'm (peripherally) in the business of making sure that they don't.
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And for the latest twist in this bizarro election cycle...

Teen Girl Who Got Sexts From Anthony Weiner Writes Open Letter To FBI Director Comey
The 15-year-old girl who received sexual text messages from Anthony Weiner is furious with FBI Director James Comey for thrusting her into the middle of a political firestorm.
Teen Girl Who Got Sexts From Anthony Weiner Writes Open Letter To FBI Director Comey -
Old Nov 2, 2016 | 04:45 PM
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And I've not done any background checking on this yet and the original article date is 10/30/16 so not sure what's "updated";

Breaking/Exclusive: Comey Lied: FBI “Synced” Weiner Laptop Under Misused Terror Warrant – Updated
In a surprise announcement, the Department of Justice just admitted that there was no legal authorization in place to access email accounts of Hillary Clinton aide, Huma Abedin, estranged wife of accused sex offender former Congressman Anthony Weiner. Additionally, it has now been learned that the FBI had accessed Huma Abedin’s cloud based email account as early as September 22 and certainly by the beginning of October, according to CNN.
Breaking/Exclusive: Comey Lied: FBI ?Synced? Weiner Laptop Under Misused Terror Warrant ? Updated | Veterans Today
Old Nov 2, 2016 | 04:52 PM
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The ineptitude/corrpution is starting to reach the "maybe it's possible there are lizard people here living among us" conspiracy theory levels.
Old Nov 2, 2016 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by z31maniac
The ineptitude/corrpution is starting to reach the "maybe it's possible there are lizard people here living among us" conspiracy theory levels.
There aren't????
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Old Nov 3, 2016 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by bahurd
And I've not done any background checking on this yet and the original article date is 10/30/16 so not sure what's "updated";

Breaking/Exclusive: Comey Lied: FBI ?Synced? Weiner Laptop Under Misused Terror Warrant ? Updated Veterans Today
no. Sounds like a Swamp of Crazy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...bb4_story.html

the FBI had been pursuing both investigations for a while, but the Clinton Foundation paid off the DOJ, who in turn tried to **** all over the investigation.


https://www.facebook.com/TheAmericanDogParty/videos/365828643764432/

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Old Nov 3, 2016 | 08:07 AM
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If you vote against Hillary, you are sexist:

Old Nov 3, 2016 | 08:08 AM
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said the black president...



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