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Old Nov 9, 2016 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by triple88a
you beat brainesack at his own game, imaginary pozkat awarded

Originally Posted by Joe Perez
Remember how everyone was comparing Trump to Biff from Back to the Future II, and how Biff's catchphrase was "Butthead," and how the writers acknowledged that they modeled that specific iteration of Biff after Trump, and so now everyone basically thinks we just elected Biff for President?

It's a joke. Print bumper stickers of it.


I'm more annoyed by the fact that we're going to wind up with the Obamas back in Chicago again.
Now I gotta re-watch BTTF II, it's been centuries
Old Nov 9, 2016 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
Remember how everyone was comparing Trump to Biff from Back to the Future II, and how Biff's catchphrase was "Butthead," and how the writers acknowledged that they modeled that specific iteration of Biff after Trump, and so now everyone basically thinks we just elected Biff for President?

It's a joke. Print bumper stickers of it.


Old Nov 9, 2016 | 02:53 PM
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Jefferson's camp accused President Adams of having a "hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman."
Old Nov 9, 2016 | 03:01 PM
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So in 4 years do you guys think trump would have kicked out the illegals and made a wall?

My 2c. No wall, illegals still here, tax evasion loop holes still in existence, lower tax for the top 20, lower 80% own even less of the wealth than now, even smaller middle class, higher insurance cost.
Old Nov 9, 2016 | 03:08 PM
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Old Nov 9, 2016 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by triple88a
So in 4 years do you guys think trump would have kicked out the illegals and made a wall?

My 2c. No wall, illegals still here, tax evasion loop holes still in existence, lower tax for the top 20, lower 80% own even less of the wealth than now, even smaller middle class, higher insurance cost.
Imaginary poscat for you.
Old Nov 9, 2016 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by triple88a
So in 4 years do you guys think trump would have kicked out the illegals and made a wall?

My 2c. No wall, illegals still here, tax evasion loop holes still in existence, lower tax for the top 20, lower 80% own even less of the wealth than now, even smaller middle class, higher insurance cost.
I expect most of that to be true, maybe slightly lower tax cuts for everyone, but mostly for the 1%. On the flip side, I except that we will have zero new gun laws and such which is awesome.
Old Nov 9, 2016 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by triple88a
So in 4 years do you guys think trump would have kicked out the illegals and made a wall?

My 2c. No wall, illegals still here, tax evasion loop holes still in existence, lower tax for the top 20, lower 80% own even less of the wealth than now, even smaller middle class, higher insurance cost.
@triple88a Read this if you want to understand how things are gamed. Not that you didn't know already.

K Street poised for big business in GOP-run Washington
While political operatives grapple with the enormity of Tuesday's Election Night surprises, Washington's lobbyists are starting to position themselves for big business under one-party rule.
K Street poised for big business in GOP-run Washington - POLITICO
Old Nov 9, 2016 | 04:03 PM
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Based on the exit polls, I fear for the future after Trump more than the future with Trump.
Old Nov 9, 2016 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Enginerd
Based on the exit polls, I fear for the future after Trump more than the future with Trump.
Agreed. We might be living in the golden years. Hopefully the Supreme Court will be sufficiently padded to last well beyond Trump.
Old Nov 9, 2016 | 05:23 PM
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Old Nov 9, 2016 | 06:05 PM
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I'm always amazed by how much attention people in other countries pay to the US Presidential election, as compared to how much attention Americans pay to, well, damn near anything.

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Old Nov 9, 2016 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
I'm always amazed by how much attention people in other countries pay to the US Presidential election, as compared to how much attention Americans pay to, well, damn near anything.

The Hague:




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Moscow:

I presume you're using satire Joe. The only empire in the world as of right now and the world is not going to care what happens there?

I'm sure you young guys don't care about the consequences this will have for the rest of the world but as a European, this scares me shitless. Brexit, now this; bad outlook for the European Union. I can easily see another populist like Le Pen in France winning the next french election under the banner of an exit from the EU. I truly think if that ends up being the case, nobody will win. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

I'm sure none of us outside the US think the world today is a safer place than yesterday. People may or may not agree with Trump and his political positions but what happens in your country is not indifferent to any other country.

Rafa
Old Nov 9, 2016 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rafa
I presume you're using satire Joe. The only empire in the world as of right now and the world is not going to care what happens there?

I'm sure you young guys don't care about the consequences this will have for the rest of the world but as a European, this scares me shitless. Brexit, now this; bad outlook for the European Union. I can easily see another populist like Le Pen in France winning the next french election under the banner of an exit from the EU. I truly think if that ends up being the case, nobody will win. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

I'm sure none of us outside the US think the world today is a safer place than yesterday. People may or may not agree with Trump and his political positions but what happens in your country is not indifferent to any other country.

Rafa
My experience working with colleagues in Germany and Eastern Europe is that they would put most of us in the USA to shame when it comes to knowledge in the politics and what's what. They have a keen sense of history and an intention not to repeat some things. At least the ones I dealt with.
Old Nov 9, 2016 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Rafa
I presume you're using satire Joe. The only empire in the world as of right now and the world is not going to care what happens there?
No satire, no sarcasm. I'm completely serious.

I mean, I understand what you're saying. The US today is what Rome was during the height of its empire. What happens here has consequences, both economic and political, for the entire world.

But bahurd basically hit on what I'm saying, and my own experience living in Germany for a short time mirrors his. I'm ashamed of the fact that most of the inhabitants of this nation don't even have a grasp on the politics of their home country, much less those of the world at large. Remember about ten years ago when Russia invaded Georgia? We literally had people here who thought that the news was talking about the state of Georgia (the one which borders Florida) and were outraged that we weren't launching nuclear weapons against this aggressor. They didn't even know that a country existed in Europe with the same name.

The only reason most Americans known the name of Putin is that he's practically a meme- how many do you suppose could name the PM of the UK, the Chancellor of Germany, the President of France, or the General Secretary of China?

And, let's be honest- it's one thing for people in Europe, Asia and Australia to take an interest in American politics. But it's another thing entirely to see them holding American flags and festooned in red-white-and-blue attire. How many Americans do you suppose could even distinguish between the UK flag and the Confederate flag, much less recognize the flags of Russia, India, China, Brazil, Germany, France, Sweden, or any of countless other nations of non-zero economic and political significance?

Just because our country commands the attention of the world doesn't mean that We The People, as individuals, have done anything to deserve it. Things like that make me self-conscious at best, and downright embarrassed at worst.
Old Nov 9, 2016 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
No satire, no sarcasm. I'm completely serious.

I mean, I understand what you're saying. The US today is what Rome was during the height of its empire. What happens here has consequences, both economic and political, for the entire world.

But bahurd basically hit on what I'm saying, and my own experience living in Germany for a short time mirrors his. I'm ashamed of the fact that most of the inhabitants of this nation don't even have a grasp on the politics of their home country, much less those of the world at large. Remember about ten years ago when Russia invaded Georgia? We literally had people here who thought that the news was talking about the state of Georgia (one one which borders Florida) and were outraged that we weren't launching nuclear weapons against this aggressor. They didn't even know that a country existed in Europe with the same name.


And, let's be honest- it's one thing for people in Europe, Asia and Australia to take an interest in American politics. But it's another thing entirely to see them holding American flags and festooned in red-white-and-blue attire. How many Americans do you suppose could even distinguish between the UK flag and the Confederate flag, much less recognize the flags of Russia, India, China, Brazil, Germany, France, Sweden, or any of countless other nations of non-zero economic and political significance?

Things like that make me self-conscious at best, and downright embarrassed at worst.
I thank you for your thoughtful answer and I totally agree with your views. Especially with the last paragraph. I must say that one of the issues I wish this election may have a positive impact on is the potential decline of your "military industrial complex" brilliantly envisioned by Dwight Eisenhower so many years ago and use those funds to improve the lives of many of your citizens. Maybe this will result in your country finally deciding to take some of the funds used in the development of weapons of war. I don't see how the US is going to reduce its deficit without cutting those expenses.

Given the admiration I've always felt for your country, I will always hope that everything turns out ok.

I would also ask all the members here to read about the increasing cases of discrimination towards immigrants in Great Britain and sincerely hope that you guys find a way to avoid repeating those mistakes. I've always considered your nation's success is in great part due to the fact that you're a nation of immigrants and that fact has always kept your economy competitive with any other one in the world. You have the right to deport all illegals but, is building a wall the way to do it?

I understand the frustration that resulted in this vote but I'm scared of what Trump represents. I hope I'm wrong.

The USA is still the beacon of the western world but I have to say that for us foreigners, a little bit less today than before.

Respectfully,

Rafa
Old Nov 9, 2016 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Enginerd
Based on the exit polls, I fear for the future after Trump more than the future with Trump.
youre shocked a bunch of *****-***** voted hillary?
Old Nov 9, 2016 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Rafa
I must say that one of the issues I wish this election may have a positive impact on is the potential decline of your "military industrial complex" brilliantly envisioned by Dwight Eisenhower so many years ago and use those funds to improve the lives of many of your citizens. Maybe this will result in your country finally deciding to take some of the funds used in the development of weapons of war. I don't see how the US is going to reduce its deficit without cutting those expenses.
The Republicans own both houses of Congress and the White House. The military industrial complex and it's spending is going nowhere soon. I would love for Congress to stop forcing the military to keep buying equipment (obsolete tanks) they don't want or need just to keep some random factory going.

Out deficit has been decreasing over the last 4 years. I believe it was down to 2.4% in 2015 which was an almost 75% decline since 2008. Our economy has also been steadily improving during that time so the debt isn't really a concern as we will have no issues servicing it as a portion of GDP. Joe has posted extensively about this in the past and why it really has never been a real problem.
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Based on the last 16 years, who has been in office have had little effect on Us internal policies. But foreign policies and military is a completely different matter, no Congress to block stupid stuff.

Will we see a nuke in Syria in January?



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