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You're talking about punishing people, instead of looking at Tulsa, OK, Ferguson, MO, Flint, MI.
If you actually look at the stats, cops shooting unarmed black people for no reason is not a regular occurrence, it's not more than shooting unarmed people of other races. You are falling for the most diabolical divide-and-conquer trick the media has ever devised. You are listing Ferguson alongside those other two cities. No, what happened in Ferguson was a criminal got shot, the other two cities horrible civil rights infractions were made. By combining them together in your ideological crusade, you are casting aside any nuance or any self-responsibility. Based on this little trick you are falling for, you have made it ok for someone to grab for an officer's gun and brawl with him in the street. If that person gets shot in the act, it's the same as if he was just sitting quietly in his car and was gunned down for no reason or was unarmed and running away and a cop shot him in the back and dropped a weapon as false evidence. I hope you can see how this tactic works to divide people who would otherwise agree.
And why didn't you list Mesa, AZ on your list? Or what about New York City and Eric Garner? Why did you pick Ferguson when you have much better and more deserving people to mention instead?
The problem with the death penalty is that you end up executing innocent people from time to time and it's generally more expensive than life in prison. It's is both immoral and impractical.
Only because we're ******* stupid as a nation and try to get the death penalty for something that had no witnesses like a rape and murder in a back alley so it ends up in appeal purgatory forever. No, those people should be life in prison. The people we catch red-handed in a terror attack should be expedited through the court and lined up in front of a firing squad. Job done.
My list of cities isn't meant to be perfect. I've mentioned it here before but Tulsa OK is where Black Wall Street was before the Tulsa authorities and citizens killed hundreds of people. Was the whole city of Tulsa and everyone involved held accountable and put on trial for this? Was justice done? Or was it a police-backed major domestic terrorist attack that went unchecked and swept under the rug? You want to shell out blame and be condescending toward whole groups of people but I urge you to continue reading real United States history if you are interested. To be clear I am putting forth the idea that you cannot even begin to argue police brutality or fairness in the justice system with a straight face when you have documented incidents of racially driven mass murder on the department's record. Are you kidding me? That is substantially worse than anything else recorded in history regarding any kind of racial domestic violence or rioting/protesting. The police department is responsible for the most violent atrocious crimes against humanity, how's that for a thought? It's not 1 or 2 isolated 'generally considered tragic' incidents, this is commonplace going back to the days of the cattle/oil baron. I mean there are ignoramuses and genuine confederate sympathizers so it's not like everyone can be convinced at least not easily. This country has some big open wounds from its past and without airing it all out in the open it can't be cleaned or start to heal.
this is why you arm yourself and protect yourself. See: Koreans during LA riots.
there were a lot of riots and mass murders in the ~1920s, we've grown as a country -- but you've regressed.
Was this supposed to legitimize the black bloc and antifa?
We're talking about a group of people who view themselves as the modern day equivalent of the American Revolution and/or the 1960s Civil Rights movement.
Think about that for a moment.
In completely unrelated news, an Indian friend of mine picked the wrong part of the Blue Ridge Parkway to vacation at this week. Actual quote:
Ry to Ed: I'm not getting out of this truck
Ed to Ry: Why not?
Ry to Ed: You see anyone brown besides me?
....
Ed to Ry: That one over there is a little tan....
I picked a good part last weekend, and was with a very white girl to boot. Like, I'm almost a little self-conscious every now and then about how utterly caucasian she is, given my own complexion. Win.
Art, it's a shame that you have bought into apparently every demonization of rich people pop culture has presented you.
As a genuine curiosity, I would ask you to answer a question honestly for me without looking up the answer first.
Just answer with whatever your perception is, and I promise not to judge you on your answer.
I'll make the answer multiple choice.
What percentage of millionaires inherit their wealth?
Is it:
A. ~90%
B. ~60%
C. ~20%
D. ~5%
I don't know.
That would require some careful statistical analysis.
I suspect it would depend on whether you make arguments based in fact or appeals to emotion.
My list of cities isn't meant to be perfect. I've mentioned it here before but Tulsa OK is where Black Wall Street was before the Tulsa authorities and citizens killed hundreds of people. Was the whole city of Tulsa and everyone involved held accountable and put on trial for this? Was justice done? Or was it a police-backed major domestic terrorist attack that went unchecked and swept under the rug? You want to shell out blame and be condescending toward whole groups of people but I urge you to continue reading real United States history if you are interested. To be clear I am putting forth the idea that you cannot even begin to argue police brutality or fairness in the justice system with a straight face when you have documented incidents of racially driven mass murder on the department's record. Are you kidding me? That is substantially worse than anything else recorded in history regarding any kind of racial domestic violence or rioting/protesting. The police department is responsible for the most violent atrocious crimes against humanity, how's that for a thought? It's not 1 or 2 isolated 'generally considered tragic' incidents, this is commonplace going back to the days of the cattle/oil baron. I mean there are ignoramuses and genuine confederate sympathizers so it's not like everyone can be convinced at least not easily. This country has some big open wounds from its past and without airing it all out in the open it can't be cleaned or start to heal.
Ok, am I following this right? We were were talking about modern day police shootings and you listed 3 cities but all along you were talking about these old race riots? My guess is the people responsible are not holding any positions of power any longer, if they were you would have a point. In fact, the Tusla Police Department has been under federal investigations many times. You are the one with the straight face talking all this bs. Did you know that there is a reparations coalition for the families of the victims of the Tulsa race riots? Did you know that the Tulsa Police Chief issued an official apology? Are you actually kidding me? No, you are wrong we actually live in an amazingly diverse and accepting country and the racism that you are citing is incredibly small. The closest you get in your examples is 1921. Please name a single example of "systematic racism" that exists in the USA right now.
Like they said in the video, a trans person didn't ask to be trans. A black person didn't ask to be black. So when we have systemic oppression including violence and death, people in the targeted groups don't have a choice on whether or not to be involved. I could say that my interest in politics is so little that I want to stay as far away from it as I can. I much prefer science, engineering, so many other things to focus on. But it is all so intertwined that you can't separate and compartmentalize like that. Racism, bigotry, government, corruption, jobs, economic opportunity equality, it's all mixed up into one. Just as every society has class(es), the socially elite keep the lion's share of the wealth through nepotism and all manner of sly dealings. I am being extremely hyperbolic here, but how many bonehead idiot PhDs do you think there are with fancy well paying titles because they went to an ivy league school? Schmoozing with, huddling up, and even cracking on the nose jokes with other WASPs? Is it in fact true that statistically speaking children from the wealthiest families happen to be the largest recipients of prestigious substantial monetary scholarships to the best universities effectively planting them into positions of power? How many Stanford dropouts end up entering into gigantic financial deals as executives? I suppose this is just how smart they are? Contrast this with the child with no family members in power, who is told they need a $60k college education before begging for an entry level position. Certainly at least one other person here has witnessed first hand the intellectual disconnect between being (let's just say "good at your job") and getting credit for it? We can preach about US democracy but we have strong class separation, classism, nepotism, going all the way down the line. Saying a poor person can become rich, yes, that's possible. But to suggest that our society is anything resembling a merit-based economy, or objective performance based race to the top, is laughable. If you define 'the top' as money then you've already lost me but I digress.
At this moment our president openly promotes (insert your favorite debatable term here for stereotyping, discrimination, racism, hatred). This is a distinct issue from, the fact that he also has very questionable morality with regard to lying about things including his business deals. To get to this point, the corruption is likely widespread, and simply mentioning these facts to our government isn't enough. I don't know if the government is capable of cleaning its own house. Now to be very careful I'm not saying what you can interpret as treason or whatever, but perhaps this is what this "Special Council" is attempting to do. I personally don't get caught up on terminology whether you want to call something/someone capitalist, socialist, communist, fascist, democratic. Any of these theoretical systems can have oligarchs at the helm and the potential for any/all kind of corruption.
This is all sorta, generally true if you squint. The problem is you don't recognize that the system we have in the USA is many many times more fair, more merit based, and classless than the others around the world. Class in America literally just means how much money you make. Class in other countries is based on your heritage, your family name, your place of residence, the town you were born in, the side of the river you come from, etc. And you wanna talk about nepotism in public bureaucracy? Outside of western countries, nepotism in government is an insane problem almost universally. You're just preaching to the choir except we're already busy out in the world making money, doing business with people regardless of their race or whatever, and getting on with it.
... You're just preaching to the choir except we're already busy out in the world making money, doing business with people regardless of their race or whatever, and getting on with it.
Now how is that supposed to help my victim status?
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