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Old Nov 5, 2017 | 08:23 AM
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Please name a single example of "systematic racism" that exists in the USA right now.
Give him time to go look through his liberal talking points handouts. He doesn't have original thoughts...
Old Nov 5, 2017 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by stratosteve
Is anyone following the events unfolding in Saudi Arabia?

Old Nov 5, 2017 | 03:21 PM
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Yup. He was one of many princes to be charged with corruption. Sidenote....he happens to own floors 35-39 of the Mandalay Bay (tinfoil hat smilie)
Old Nov 5, 2017 | 03:27 PM
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Old Nov 5, 2017 | 05:13 PM
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Old Nov 5, 2017 | 05:26 PM
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Old Nov 5, 2017 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Art
National security is a big deal, as in not spilling the beans on any real threats around the world to the public. But there's also crooks and thieves basically hiding their tracks. A few years ago it was Enron execs in the news. Now it's like the world leaders.
And luckily she wasn't elected
Old Nov 5, 2017 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Art
These Saudi arrests? The one guy is a huge shareholder in Fox and Twitter and an Arab media company? And has personally 'twitter beef'd' with Trump? Not to mention all the pictures with the Bin Ladens shaking hands with US gov't officials, also US military providing training for what became Taliban.

I'm not actually wearing a tin foil hat. It's a complicated world. But this being stranger than fiction, is there any coherent narrative to try and make sense of this? Like "oh our bad the owner of Fox and Twitter is/was a huge Saudi kingpin and actual Prince, no big deal. Carry on."

National security is a big deal, as in not spilling the beans on any real threats around the world to the public. But there's also crooks and thieves basically hiding their tracks. A few years ago it was Enron execs in the news. Now it's like the world leaders.
It is believed that alwaleed bin talal was laundering money through Podesta's firm in the pay to play dealings of Clinton.

There are currently 12 sealed federal indictments that have yet to be served. Gonna be an interesting time while Trump is away.
Old Nov 5, 2017 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Art
Relatively speaking, we can assume this is correct. I am grateful that for the most part we all have access to food water shelter safety etc. A lot more actually that we take for granted. Although I would argue that your definition of "class in other countries" sounds pretty darn familiar here in the US, even if you adjust the 'severity' **** to fit your perception in our culture. But no matter where you are, if you feel there's room for improvement, that's relative too. You could say that I'm just whining with my previous rant, but I feel both of us may be guessing as to how prevalent each viewpoint really is.
No, you're missing the true meaning of "class." In places like the UK, you can be a self-made millionaire and depending who your parents are you're still low-class and people who buy into class structures look at you differently, treat you different, etc. It's almost the same as racism just not based on skin color, but heritage/family/home town.

In the US it don't matter who your parents are end of discussion.
Old Nov 5, 2017 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by vitamin j
Please name a single example of "systematic racism" that exists in the USA right now.
How about the criminal justice system? Are you arguing that, all other things being equal, a black man receives the same treatment as a white man in terms of arrest, conviction, and sentencing?
Old Nov 6, 2017 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
How about the criminal justice system? Are you arguing that, all other things being equal, a black man receives the same treatment as a white man in terms of arrest, conviction, and sentencing?
it's super easy to manipulate these stats in any direction.
Old Nov 6, 2017 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Braineack
it's super easy to manipulate these stats in any direction.
Two things my grandpa would say when I was young come to mind.
​​​​​​ My mind's made up, don't confuse me with the facts.
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​​​​​​​Figures don't lie, but Liars sure can figure.
Old Nov 6, 2017 | 09:47 AM
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My list of cities isn't meant to be perfect. I've mentioned it here before but Tulsa OK is where Black Wall Street was before the Tulsa authorities and citizens killed hundreds of people. Was the whole city of Tulsa and everyone involved held accountable and put on trial for this? Was justice done? Or was it a police-backed major domestic terrorist attack that went unchecked and swept under the rug? You want to shell out blame and be condescending toward whole groups of people but I urge you to continue reading real United States history if you are interested. To be clear I am putting forth the idea that you cannot even begin to argue police brutality or fairness in the justice system with a straight face when you have documented incidents of racially driven mass murder on the department's record. Are you kidding me? That is substantially worse than anything else recorded in history regarding any kind of racial domestic violence or rioting/protesting. The police department is responsible for the most violent atrocious crimes against humanity, how's that for a thought? It's not 1 or 2 isolated 'generally considered tragic' incidents, this is commonplace going back to the days of the cattle/oil baron. I mean there are ignoramuses and genuine confederate sympathizers so it's not like everyone can be convinced at least not easily. This country has some big open wounds from its past and without airing it all out in the open it can't be cleaned or start to heal.

I just want to point out your interesting juxtaposition.

"Tulsa was full of bigot, racist murderers that were just looking to lynch a bunch of black people. Ignore the fact that Tulsa also had the most successful black population in the country........."
Old Nov 6, 2017 | 09:52 AM
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They also stayed and rebuilt afterwards...
Old Nov 6, 2017 | 09:57 AM
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Sorta, but nowadays Greenwood Ave has been taken over by all the downtown developments.........the new ballpark is next to it, burger joint, salon, bail bond, etc. It's a small area.

There might still be a black owned barber shop there though.

*Tulsa resident for nearly 35 years sans a few years for college* Now in OKC, and I find this place dreadful by comparison.
Old Nov 6, 2017 | 10:01 AM
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Tulsa happened long before I was born and I am a very old fart. Pretty bad when we need to go back to 1921 to prove "institutional racism"
Old Nov 6, 2017 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by z31maniac
Sorta, but nowadays Greenwood Ave has been taken over by all the downtown developments.........the new ballpark is next to it, burger joint, salon, bail bond, etc. It's a small area.

There might still be a black owned barber shop there though.
Diversity.
Old Nov 6, 2017 | 11:22 AM
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Pretty bad when we need to go back to 1921 to prove "institutional racism"
Lol.
Old Nov 6, 2017 | 12:19 PM
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Old Nov 6, 2017 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
How about the criminal justice system? Are you arguing that, all other things being equal, a black man receives the same treatment as a white man in terms of arrest, conviction, and sentencing?
Right now, pretty much yes. Unfortunately there definitely was racist policies from decades ago which the effects are still playing out. Nowadays, and I mean the last 20 years, the justice system is pretty much stacked against the impoverished and a person's income level is far more relevant than their skin color when it comes to how they are treated by the police, prisons, etc. Of course this is just my opinion trying to sort through and find an answer. Of all the cases where a cop just goes rouge and kills someone for no reason or just pure rage, or cases where police totally abuse peoples' civil rights; race is basically a non-factor statistically regardless of what you see on CNN.

There is also lots of evidence that people are just racist in ways that we don't expect. For instance, there are studies that show that in stressful situations police officers view black children, on average, 4 or 5 years older than they view white children which could and does play out in all sorts of different ways. Is that systematic racism or is that the effects of the cop growing up isolated from people of different races when he was at that age which was a product of where his parents bought a house which is a product of where property lines were drawn which definitely could come from racism many decades ago. In the 1960s, half of Americans said they'd move if a black family moved next door. Now it's 6 percent. I will be interested to see the study done again in 20 years and see if police still view black and white kids as years apart or if the gap shrinks.



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