TNTUBA

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And the notion that a group of armed neck beards are gonna fight and win a war against the US Military is LAUGHABLE.

Anyone who makes the claim of that being a possibility instantly loses all credibility with me.

z31maniac

I have been chastised multiple times on this forum for pointing out there is no way the armed citizens could beat the US Military.

TNTUBA

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It's just not at all a possibility and anyone who thinks otherwise has a level of intelligence approaching "barely responsive to heat and light"

Joe Perez

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Braineack

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[QUOTE=mgtmse01;1552094]the why doesn't matter. the bill of rights is not a limit to citizens, it limits our government. it expressly says "shall not be infringed" in terms of bearing arms.

Braineack

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You think our foreign policy should be fighting ISIS for our allies, then sticking around and fighting all their other ongoing wars/skirmishes or anyone else standing in their way for independence? It would double the number of countries we are at odd with in the area already.

Syria is shithole country, the kurds aren't angels -- they are Syrians. Why are we helping them create Israel II? That area is a ******* mess and we don't need to get in the middle of all this ****.

Also did you think it was good foreign policy for the democrats to vote us out of Vietnam? Or did the democrats personally murder thousands of Koreans when they did that?

but you know what? if we stick around just a little longer I'm sure we can solve all the problems in the middle East.


tell me the benefit we gain from establishing Kurdistan? Please Note: American deaths is not a benefit.

Braineack

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also: https://streamable.com/p9nod

Diamond Dave

if it was such a simple problem, why wasn't it fixed during Obama's presidency? Or George Bush? Or Bill Clinton? Hell, Bernie and Biden and Pelosi and Schumer have been in congress for at least as long as that conflict has been going. Are you meaning to tell me we were on the path to fixing that situation until Donald Trump came into office?

Is it possible that doing things the same way they've always been done accomplishes nothing and that to make real changes you actually need to do something different - regardless of what the democrats threaten you with?

Diamond Dave

So what exactly is your problem with this? Are the people not armed well enough? Yes. Are you assuming that the only purpose is for the average person to be able to take on a platoon? no, but if it did happen, at least that citizen would have a choice about how it turned out rather than stand in the street and get run over by a tank truck.

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean the other person is a neck beard, idiot, racist.

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser

TNTUBA

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Who the **** said anything about Race here loser?

It's not a matter of liking something or not....it's a matter of reality.

If you think a group of citizens armed with AR's, AKs' SKSs, MP5s, M203 or whatever the **** else you can think up.....would last more than a week against the full force of the US Military....your brain is broken. Taking that action would be by default....standing in the middle of the road in front of a tank.

It has nothing to do with being Pro 2A.....did you miss the part where I said I was a gun owning veteran???? Or can you read?

It just has everything to do with ludicrous arguments to be PRO 2A.

The only argument you need to make to be Pro 2A is....."Read the constitution....if you don't like it....change it"

But to support your Pro 2A stance with "We need to be able to protect ourselves from the Government" is just flat out laughable.

And let me add.....the ability to quote Socrates is NOT a serviceable substitute for whit.......or intelligence.

TNTUBA

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Never said it was a simple problem....that is in fact the issue. This guy thinks it's simple....he thinks he knows more about Military action than the ******* Military leaders he has appointed. He is destabilizing. His notion to pull us out of the Open Skies Treaty is enough for me to ascertain that he is either a total moron or purposefully trying to destroy the future of our Nation.

mgtmse01

straight up savagery... im down with taking the guy out but not dragging him down the street.

mgtmse01

i respectfully disagree ... there is historical precedence for my reason to disagree but i do not have those particular examples committed to memory. i will be glad to post them later on after i find them

second, " that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation
on such principles...etc" this is also the reason we are armed

mgtmse01

[QUOTE=Braineack;1552119]aggreed

mgtmse01

the video was hilarious but i do not see how the prez has anything to do with this... our healthcare system has been **** for a long time, well before trump took office.

mgtmse01

one of the issues he ran on was to bring our men and women home. the majority of the people agreed and wanted that and so he was elected president. he is doing what he said he would do. you may not agree and you probably did not vote for him, but the people who did vote for trump wanted our troops to be brought home.

and yes, i read you are a veteran... i am too...

mgtmse01

by the way, i when i quoted the constitution, i never suggested that armed citizens can win against the us military. i quoted it because the democratic candidates are saying that people do not need ar-15s or ak-47s because they are weapons of war. my point was that our right to do so (fight against the government) is in the bill of rights. also i want to point out that schools are no longer teaching about the constitution or its history. they merely glance over it.
just 2 days ago we were having a conversation at work. i asked one of the younger guys if he knew what the 2a was about. he did not even know what 2a is! he said "isn't that so you can say whatever you want? like free speech?" that was his response to my question. he is not an idiot, the school system failed to teach him history.
for betamale o'rourke to say we can not have ar-15s or ak-47s is ridiculous.
this is how government abuse begins. dictators throughout history started their abuse by disarming the population.
one more point... if i remember correctly... by law, the government is not allowed to use the us army or any of the sort against the citizens... i would never agree to fire on an american citizen...

by the way, i don't think that other guy was calling anyone a racist. he is making the point that the left always accuse the right of being racist for pretty much any reason. i am openly on the right and i never hide it and i get called a racist often, even though my gf is black...

TNTUBA

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There are litterally hundreds of examples through the years of Military forces taking up arms against their own citizens and if things deteriorate to the point where citizens are taking up arms vs their government....you really think laws matter at that point.

But all that is moot.....if the government is never going to attack it's own citizens then its citizens dont need to worry about protecting themselves from said government.

You see how stupid that argument is?

Again....the only argument you need to present for the second amendment is "Read the constitution....if you dont like it....change it" which is NEVER going to happen. This is all bullshit hyperbole that is meant to distract you.

mgtmse01

yes, this is true, many dictators and oppressive regimes have abused their people throughout history. i am pointing out that people are not educated about the constitution and people like o'rourke would not be on tv or holding any public office if the general public was better educated and that we have the option to fight back. no, i never want to see that here in the usa, we are the best country in the world.

surely the people of venezuela thought the same thing and now look at their country. when their govy took away guns from the people for "the people's safety" im sure they probably thought the gov would never abuse them. my friends from colombia would tell me that they remembered the time when colombians would go to venezuela for work and to shop. now venezuela is in shambles.

i agree with you on your point that the only argument we need is to let them read the constitution in the first place. if the people were better educated on american history and better educated in civics we would not have to have the argument in the first place. (although they are welcome to disagree)

Braineack

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He won't answer, I dunno why you asked.