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Originally Posted by hi_im_sean
(Post 1375102)
I simply have no answer for this Joe. That's not to say I haven't thought about it extensively. It seems like every time you come up with an idea to fix it, it require some form of regulation, that in order to work, would rely on the morals and principles of those regulating. To which I find ironic, as you could make the argument that morals and principles, or lack of(normal human behavior), is what put us here to begin with.
If the morons that put out the anti 205 ads here in AZ had any morals in this context or (in my eyes of course) the "right" principles, maybe they wouldn't have lied through their teeth and make up fake data to sway things in their favor. And unfortunately confirmation bias is a real thing. So, you make a governing body that ensures the truthfulness of political ads? And who insures they are doing their job correctly, how do we keep money away from them? It just spirals out of control. That was kind of the whole foundational purpose of the internet. Or, at least, the public parts of it (Usenet, the Web, etc). To prevent censorship, to give everyone a voice. The weaker elements of our society are now learning that all freedom, including freedom of expression, comes with a price.
Originally Posted by hi_im_sean
(Post 1375102)
So the more I think about it, the more I agree with the "pass a test to vote" or other conversations that have been going on here lately. Not that that idea isn't subject to the same issues I just spoke of. ie- who rights the test?
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Imaginary cat awarded.
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We can't even get the Dems to agree to ID for voting. You think they are gonna go all in on testing?
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How about this: people who own real property count as one vote - people who don't own property count as 3/5ths of a vote. Sounds like a good compromise... :giggle:
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1375101)
Lol @ king trump.
I was referencing his fondness for media blacklists and denying press credentialing. |
As if the housing bubble wasn't bad enough lol.
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1375107)
You can teach kids civics whether they want to be rocket scientists or auto mechanics.
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Originally Posted by fooger03
(Post 1375154)
How about this: people who own real property count as one vote - people who don't own property count as 3/5ths of a vote. Sounds like a good compromise... :giggle:
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How about you get as many votes as your net income tax?
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Originally Posted by hornetball
(Post 1375166)
How about you get as many votes as your net income tax?
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1375242)
How about you only get to vote if you have a net payment in to the government greater than what you receive? If you are suckling the teat to survive then you aren't mature enough to have a say.
But thankfully a Representative Republic is, in theory, designed to protect the minority from the majority. That suggestion would be the old, Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. |
lol at 15 year olds getting in fights over the President:
Trump supporter, 15, beaten during Rockville protest | WTOP Hundreds of students from Richard Montgomery High School were carrying signs reading, “Love Trumps Hate,” and chanting near the Rockville courthouse on Maryland Avenue in a protest that began at about 10 a.m. when a 15-year-old boy wearing one of the Trump campaign’s “Make America Great Again” hats was attacked by about four students. The group surrounded the teen, punching him repeatedly, then threw him to the ground and kicked him repeatedly in the ribs. It is not yet clear what led up to the incident, but Maj. Michael English with Rockville police said the victim was not the aggressor.“They jumped him and beat him up pretty bad,” Max Stucky, a bystander who witnessed the attack, told WTOP. Remember, Trump supporters are violent bigots. |
tolerant left:
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...49&oe=58BCEA38 Remember, Trump supports are violent bigots. |
Originally Posted by z31maniac
(Post 1375274)
That suggestion would be the old, Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
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http://milo.yiannopoulos.net/wp-cont...PM-759x444.png
Students at the University of Massachusetts are currently holding a ‘shit-in,’ occupying toilets in an admin building to demand more gender-neutral facilities on campus.Among students involved, the protest is officially known as the “Shit-In At Whitmore,” in reference to the Whitmore Administration Building where the hijacked washrooms are located.According to the official Facebook page for the event, it’s being held by Gender Liberation UMass, or GLU. GLU hopes to accomplish three things with their ‘shit-in.’ First, they want admin to change the signage on several campus bathrooms to make them gender-neutral, which they feel will encourage “trans inclusivity and safety on campus.” Second, they demand the “advancement of medically and socially competent in-house transgender health services at the University Health Services center.” Lastly, they’re calling for the “hiring of a professor by the Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies Department who is an expert in the field of critical transmisogyny from an intersectional perspective.” |
:giggle:
Professor Taken to Hospital Over Alleged Violent Threats A Rutgers University professor was taken to a New York City hospital for a psychiatric evaluation after university police claimed he made threats to kill white people, authorities said Wednesday. But Kevin Allred said the comments he made in class and on Twitter in the days after Donald Trump won the presidential election were just rhetorical political statements. He claims school officials were trying to intimidate him for exercising his free speech rights. New York police said they were contacted by Rutgers police about the alleged threats. Allred, who is white, was taken to the hospital Tuesday night and released later that night. Allred said he wasn’t arrested or handcuffed, but was told he didn’t have a choice about going to the hospital. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1375341)
Lastly, they’re calling for the “hiring of a professor by the Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies Department who is an expert in the field of critical transmisogyny from an intersectional perspective.”
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Originally Posted by z31maniac
(Post 1375347)
I don't even know what these words mean.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1375280)
tolerant left:
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...49&oe=58BCEA38 Remember, Trump supports are violent bigots. |
https://www.yahoo.com/news/old-gone-...163147226.html
Referrals to Britain's only gender identity service for children have more than doubled to 1,419 in 2015/16 compared with the year before, according to The Tavistock and Portman mental health clinic, which runs the service. Polly Carmichael, a psychologist who heads the service, says in the 20 years she has worked in this field she has seen increasing numbers of children identifying as transgender or saying they do not conform to the gender they were born as. Though rare, some of her patients are as young as three. "Young people experiencing gender dysphoria is a real phenomenon," said Carmichael at her London office. "It can be incredibly isolating ... if you don't feel you belong in a particular category that you've been assigned to. Many adolescents do become very distressed and self-harm." She said the rise in children struggling with their gender identity is probably the result of greater awareness of the gender spectrum among parents and the children themselves, through the internet and other media. |
Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1375375)
Proof that no political party has a monopoly on stupidity!
Our society has it very, very good. We have one of the best standards of living for our lower classes of any place and time in the history of the world. The most worthless, lazy bastards in our society have it so good here they really don't need to do anything to survive. Free food, free health care, free day care, free schools, free shelter, relative safety, what do they lack? But therein lies the problem. When it is too easy, people become soft, weak, stupid, lazy, fat, selfish. They manufacture strife in their own heads with which to be concerned. This is what societal decline looks like. We almost need strife to temper our metal and to make us resilient at this point. I hope it doesn't come in the form of foreign invasion after decades of internal rot. |
well, not good.
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1375395)
Yeah, and this shit about adversity from people who have never had arms or legs blown off in a war, never watched their father butchered while their mother was raped by soldiers, never went 5 days without food and sold their body for a meal, never looked their 5 year old child who was dying of cancer in the eyes and told them it was going to be ok when you knew it was a lie, cooked and served the flesh of a dead person you found in the street to your children to keep them from starving to death, fuck them. Selfish, arrogant whiners, highly insulated from real adversity and therefore possessing no perspective past the end of their own noses. If I wasn't such a decent fellow I'd offer to pluck their eyes out and skull-fuck them to death.
Our society has it very, very good. We have one of the best standards of living for our lower classes of any place and time in the history of the world. The most worthless, lazy bastards in our society have it so good here they really don't need to do anything to survive. Free food, free health care, free day care, free schools, free shelter, relative safety, what do they lack? But therein lies the problem. When it is too easy, people become soft, weak, stupid, lazy, fat, selfish. They manufacture strife in their own heads with which to be concerned. This is what societal decline looks like. We almost need strife to temper our metal and to make us resilient at this point. I hope it doesn't come in the form of foreign invasion after decades of internal rot. I also don't think that the relativism works all that well. Just because you haven't seen stuff worse than what you've seen doesn't mean you don't have it bad or that you can't be grateful for what you have. There are some places in our society that have pretty poor access to things like healthcare, adequate nutrition, etc than a lot of places that have it far worse than the average american. 12.7% of american's were food insecure in 2015. That's not insignificant. (Source: USDA ERS - Sections) Obesity is often linked to poor nutrition, because shit food is cheap. Also one of the reasons why our childhood obesity rate is growing. |
Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1375404)
12.7% of american's were food insecure in 2015. That's not insignificant. (Source: USDA ERS - Sections)
Obesity is often linked to poor nutrition, because shit food is cheap. Also one of the reasons why our childhood obesity rate is growing. LA is ranked third. They have plenty of access to decent food -- they just happen to bread and fry it all. there's also a link between North Korean leaders being fat and their citizens being bone-thin. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1375405)
did you happen to look in which states the highest occurrences of this was happening?
LA is ranked third. They have plenty of access to decent food -- they just happen to bread and fry it all. there's also a link between North Korean leaders being fat and their citizens being bone-thin. Also, plz respond to mah pee emm. |
Poor people eat unhealthy food because it tastes good, not because their neighborhood grocer doesn't carry enough varieties of kale.
I firmly believe that many of the poor are poor because of circumstances are largely out of their own control, but that still leaves a lot of poor people that are poor because they repeatedly choose immediate gratification rather than planning to reach long term goals. This includes food and diet choices. |
I do not consider myself poor and i eat shit food because it tastes good. But I also grew up learning about eating healthy, how to cook healthy, and I also have the time.
Lots of lower income people don't have the time to cook healthy food. So if you are stuck with pre prepared food, because you just got off your 18 hour shift. Name one healthy option that is cheaper than the mcdees dollar menu. Calorie to dollars that is. |
inb4beefandcornsubsidydiscussion
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Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 1375473)
not because their neighborhood grocer doesn't carry enough varieties of kale.
1. Inner city ghettoes; or 2. Out in the boonies. In both circumstances, grocery store access, quality and price is far different than it would be in an affluent suburb. The reasons are economic. In circumstance #1, there is enough population to justify a store, but the crime rate/risk is such that it inhibits the provision of services. In circumstance #2, well, there just aren't enough people. |
I'm sure all those things are true and play a factor in the larger picture.
But suggesting "no access" as the primary cause is a massive oversimplification. You could drop a half-price Whole Foods into the middle of West Jackson and I promise you the people that live in those neighborhoods will not be buying fresh vegetables and grass fed beef. And sure, eating really healthy isn't cheap. But you can buy a rotisserie chicken, some dry rice, and some green beans or carrots pretty darn cheaply and have a meal that's a million times healthier than combo meal #3. |
Grocery stores in cities also tend to have higher prices than in the suburbs. If you use public transportation, there are often rules that you can't carry more than x amount of bags with you. Buying in bulk is cheaper, but you can't really carry all that much stuff with you if you're forced to walk between public transportation routes depending on where you live.
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You guys won't believe me when I tell you this. The ONLY supermarket located in Detroit is Whole Foods. Everything else is just small little save lands.
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1375426)
Access is determined by proximity and cost.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...tion_map_2.png The state is mostly un-populated save for a few cities and coastline. If the way they determine food-insecurtiy is by access, then that's a completely flawed way to measure. Cost is often prohibitive https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...112ded64bf.png Forcing manufacturers to pay wages higher than what the job is worth has CAUSED higher food costs--literally defeats the purpose. But at the same time, people with these shitty jobs (that a robot could do), have MORE purchasing power than ever: https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...fde3d21acb.png and prices of groceries are often higher in a city. From BLS: https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...9152e0fbe6.png https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f7e717cd4e.png So if the typical American family feels squeezed, what's squeezing us? I have two answers: The first answer is housing and cars. Half of that orange "other" slice is transportation costs: mostly cars, gas, and public transit. A century ago, if you recall, 80% of families were renters and nobody owned a car. Today, more than 60% of families are home owners, and practically everybody owns a car.* The other answer, which you can't see as clearly in this chart, is health care. Health-care spending makes up more than 16% of the U.S. economy, but only 6% of family spending, according to the CES. One reason for the gap is that most medical spending isn't out of our pockets. Employers pay workers' premiums and government foots the bill for the elderly and the low-income. Government spending on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid has quadrupled since the 1950s in the most meaningful measurement, which is share of GDP. In short, health care costs are squeezing Americans. But the details of this squeeze elude the color-wheel above. We are paying for health care with taxes, borrowing, and compensation that goes to health benefits, rather than wages. Food costs/access isn't the problem, your gansta rap lifestyle is. |
CEOs shouldn't drunk post:
CEO Who Threatened to Kill Trump Now Blames Drunkenness Former PacketSled CEO Matt Harrigan is blaming being drunk for posting a death threat against President-elect Donald Trump on Election Day last week.Harriman has apologized for the post, and has temporarily moved his family. He has also faced an interview with the United States Secret Service.... The night of the November 8, 2016 presidential election, Harrigan posted several threatening messages to his personal Facebook page: “I’m going to kill the president. Elect.” and “Bring it secret service.” Those were followed by messages that went into greater detail, as shown on Reddit. “Nope, getting a sniper rifle and perching myself where it counts. Find a bedroom in the whitehouse that suits you mother*******. I’ll find you,” another post read. And yet another, “In no uncertain terms, f*** you America. Seriously. F*** off.” Harrigan told local 10 News that a Facebook friend shared the comment from Facebook to Twitter and it went viral. In the interview with 10 News, Harrigan said of seeing the comments go viral two days later, “I was blown away and that was the moment I knew that that wow, I, ya know, something that I said completely off the cuff that I obviously have no intention of participating in, um, while drinking on Election Night, has now made it out to somewhere that it never belonged.” The U.S. Secret Service took the death threats seriously enough to conduct the interview this week. They did not comment at the time on whether there would be charges, according to the local news outlet. |
I can feed a family of four a homemade meal of healthy meat and vegetable stew for less than the cost of a $7 pack of Newports (looked up the average price in L.A.).
There are a few Americans that are poor due to bad luck. But most are poor due to repeatedly making bad decisions or by choice because they are averse to work or other forms of temporary discomfort (they don't like delayed gratification). And the people we statistically consider "poor" typically have cell phones, televisions, food, shelter, clean water, medical care, most have automobiles, air conditioning. We shipped a conex shipping container full of goods and met it in the rural countryside of Honduras to distribute it and build things for the last several years in a row. We send doctors and medical supplies, vitamins, clothing, volunteers with building supplies, etc. You know what some of the people there were asking about when we got done with the week? They wanted the cardboard boxes our goods were shipped in so that they could flatten them out and sleep on them rather than on the bare dirt floors of their huts. The cardboard boxes. |
Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1375610)
But most are poor due to repeatedly making bad decisions or by choice because they are averse to work or other forms of temporary discomfort (they don't like delayed gratification).
I grew up with divorced parents living in a trailer park. So I got a job, then went to college got a degree and kicked ass at my jobs since then to put myself in my position. Insert SJW "It's only because you're a white male!!!!!!" #triggered |
And I'm sure you were not the norm for the trailer park. Most of the rest of the kids your age are probably still living there.
Yes you can work your way out of poverty. And it happens all the time. But without strong role models and an idea of what a functional citizen should be the odds start stacking against you. I have really bad ADHD. My parents were very supportive and helped structure my schooling and keep me on track. They also paid for the medicine that was (and still is) an essential part of my "success" . Now I'm an engineer living a somewhat functional adult life. I have no doubts that if it weren't for my parents ongoing support and good influences. I would have dropped out of high school and be God knows where now. |
1% hoarders.
I'm so glad I have half a brain. |
Originally Posted by z31maniac
(Post 1375621)
This. 1000x this.
I grew up with divorced parents living in a trailer park. So I got a job, then went to college got a degree and kicked ass at my jobs since then to put myself in my position. Insert SJW "It's only because you're a white male!!!!!!" #triggered |
Originally Posted by Monk
(Post 1375640)
Another trailer park boy here. Although that might not be surprising to you all...
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Facebook Post Love this mom. Black dont crack. |
You can tell she has a firm grip on how electricity works: "you might still be electrical"
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<-- Also grew up as trailer trash
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As did I. My parent have filed for bankruptcy 3 times now. Dad could never figure out why we were broke, but somehow always had a white russian in his hand, smoked 3 packs a day, and always had project toys. The boss of whatever current job was always to blame. Mom didn't have a clue what was going on until very recently.
I figured out the BS pretty young and vowed to never go down that path. I bought my first house when I was 23 and I made more in my 24th year of life than my parents ever did, combined. |
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sorry, you cant go outside today, youre grounded.
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I'm laughing so hard right now.
Trump's tweet on safe spaces right now is so deserving of this thread. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a37c9fdde8.jpg Do you think Pence was triggered by the lack of a safe space? |
I think Mrs. Lincoln would have agreed.
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1375912)
Do you think Pence was triggered by the lack of a safe space?
But it's a bit insulting to people who actually have a brain and understand the Trump/Pence platform--instead of whatever CNN tells them to think. The actors themselves should actually read up on Hamilton and understand why I am "alarmed" that a play about him is so popular. He was a Statist who fought against the Bill of Rights and called it DANGEROUS! He argued against the very reason we have them and hold them so dearly. He was often opposed by the original framers and we should all be incredibly thankful that the Founders didn't yield much to him. Read about his whiskey tax, that he personally benefited from, and the federal army he lead to march against protesters. I, personally, can completely understand the appeal of the left viewpoint, moderate or extreme (socialism, communism, nazism, etc) -- these sheep don't take the time to actually understand what makes them "alarmed" and "anxious". They should be alarmed that they are pawn in the democratic platform, who use them in order to establish a victim to fight for--with no intention whatsoever to help. Not only do they blindly praise Hamilton, but they praise and worship other leaders like FDR, who not only registered Japanese and gave them certificates of begin enemies, but also threw them into internment camps -- despite many of them being citizens. But then these snowflakes cry in a corner when Trump says maybe we stop blindly letting certain people into our country before vetting them more thoroughly. and these children protest an election they didn't even vote in, but also gladly pay into Obamacare when they have no money -- a ploy that allows a rich majority to take advantage of a poor minority -- under the guise it's "more affordable." To whom is it more affordable?! The government is literally forcing a minority group to PAY for something they don't need and don't want, in order to fund a wealthy majority. Not only that, but the government is forcing private companies to perform business in a manner that's not sustainable and it's causing them to significant increase costs. /ramble. |
I wasn't talking about any of that. The comments were pretty obviously made because of Pence's history re: LGBT rights.
I'm just laughing at how the right suddenly thinks that safe spaces should exist and Trump thinks people are going after Pence with pitchforks. The audience was doing the boo'ing, not the cast. The cast's only message to Pence was the statement they made at the end of the show and they didn't force him to stay for it. I just think it's so remarkable for folks to argue for free speech until someone says something that they don't like or in a way they don't like then all of a sudden it's magically rude or disrespectful and shouldn't be allowed. Also, I haven't seen any reports of any liberals going around spray painting swastika's that's reported in any sort of non-conspiratory outlet PS: Wtf is a jewish church? |
Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1375968)
PS: Wtf is a jewish church? A synagogue, also spelled synagog (pronounced /ˈsɪnəɡɒɡ/ from Greek συναγωγή, synagogē, "assembly", Hebrew: בית כנסת Bet Kenesset, "house of assembly" or בית תפילה Bet Tefila, "house of prayer", שול shul, אסנוגה esnoga or קהל kahal), is a Jewish house of prayer. :party: |
so are you saying all actors are gays?
I think there's a bit of a difference between snowflakes begging for safe spaces and freedom from speech (in a place that's supposed to encourage free-thought and opinion), and asking that a performance just be a performance. I'd also be pissed if I paid to see Kayne West and he talked about Trump for 40mins. I was pissed when I paid $35 to see the Decendents and Milo constantly commented about Trump between songs -- and that was about 40 seconds worth of rhetoric and they are a pretty anti-right band to begin with :P I also didn't riot nor destroy private property when my health insurance rates and gas costs have skyrocketed, and personal freedoms reduced over the last 8 years. The timing of all the recent vandalism is incredibly convenient--especially when it works for a certain narrative. Sorry, the only thing I know about religion is what I've learned form South Park. |
Another thought on the Hamilton snowflakes: Middle America was so "alarmed" by the left, they came out of voted for a changed; THEIR needs have been ignored for 8 years -- and the left's response is crying, rioting, whining, and being completely unprofessional and disrespectful to all of US.
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The show itself is also racist:
Attorney: ?Hamilton? Casting Call Violates City Human Rights Law « CBS New York As CBS2’s Tony Aiello reported, the controversy was sparked by a casting notice posted by the producers of “Hamilton,” which specifically seeks “non-white” performers. One critic said “Hamilton” takes a story that “valorizes dead white guys” and replaces it with black, Latino and multi-ethnic performers playing America’s founding fathers. But as the blockbuster musical looks to expand to other cities, the casting notice with its call for “non-white” performers looks problematic to civil rights attorney Randolph McLaughlin. “What if they put an ad out that said, ‘Whites only need apply?’” said McLaughlin, of the Newman Ferrara Law Firm. “Why, African-Americans, Latinos, Asians would be outraged.” McLaughlin believes the ad violates the New York City Human Rights Law, which makes it unlawful “for an employer… because of the actual written or perceived… race of any person, to discriminate.” “You cannot advertise showing that you have a preference for one racial group over another,” McLaughlin said. “As an artistic question – sure, he can cast whomever he wants to cast, but he has to give every actor eligible for the role an opportunity to try.” That is also the policy of Actors Equity, the Broadway union, which says, “…producers agree that auditions for all productions… will be conducted in such a manner as to provide full and fair consideration to actors of all ethnicities.” The press representative for the show told CBS2’s Aiello the language in the notice, “seeking non-white performers,” was approved by Actors Equity. ... In recent years, the city has fined restaurants for advertising for “busboys” and “waitresses” instead of “bus help” and “wait staff.” In this case, a source told CBS2’s Aiello the commission would likely work with the “Hamilton” production team to help it comply with city law if it takes issue with the ad. derpmode. |
Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1375968)
I just think it's so remarkable for folks to argue for free speech until someone says something that they don't like or in a way they don't like then all of a sudden it's magically rude or disrespectful and shouldn't be allowed.
Or like when Americans spoke up and elected Trump and riots broke out and Trump supporters were dragged and beaten on the streets? Yeah, I get that too! You see, you and I do agree on stuff!:fawk: |
Scott,
Thank you for taking the time to elaborate on your points. Your witty jabs often leave me wondering what your additional commentary might be. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1375970)
so are you saying all actors are gays?
I think there's a bit of a difference between snowflakes begging for safe spaces and freedom from speech (in a place that's supposed to encourage free-thought and opinion), and asking that a performance just be a performance. I'd also be pissed if I paid to see Kayne West and he talked about Trump for 40mins. I was pissed when I paid $35 to see the Decendents and Milo constantly commented about Trump between songs -- and that was about 40 seconds worth of rhetoric and they are a pretty anti-right band to begin with :P I also didn't riot nor destroy private property when my health insurance rates and gas costs have skyrocketed, and personal freedoms reduced over the last 8 years. The timing of all the recent vandalism is incredibly convenient--especially when it works for a certain narrative. Sorry, the only thing I know about religion is what I've learned form South Park. Yeah, people said Kanye was dumb for doing that. I don't see anyone with any sort of power going around saying that he shouldn't speak his mind or that he needs to apologize for it. Journalists etc are one thing, the president elect is a different level. He seemed to get all up in a tizzy about it. Re: rioting... uhhh. Things happened after Obama was elected and when he was running for reelection and won that time as well. The arts are often political. They've been that way throughout history, including during times of dissent where it was the only way to be political and not be hung for it. Most of the time.
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1375974)
Another thought on the Hamilton snowflakes: Middle America was so "alarmed" by the left, they came out of voted for a changed; THEIR needs have been ignored for 8 years -- and the left's response is crying, rioting, whining, and being completely unprofessional and disrespectful to all of US.
Where is this concept of disrespect coming from? I know you'd prefer for everyone to just shut up about this stuff, but ironically the first amendment protects that. Saying it needs to be silenced because folks disagree is as ridiculous and un-American a statement as Kaepernick's actions being some sort of giant FU to the flag and everything it stands for.
Originally Posted by hector
(Post 1375980)
You mean like what Amy Schumer did in Tampa, asking the audience to point out those that were booing so she can have them kicked out? Yeah, I get that.
Or like when Americans spoke up and elected Trump and riots broke out and Trump supporters were dragged and beaten on the streets? Yeah, I get that too! You see, you and I do agree on stuff!:fawk: Plenty of fights broke out where the exactly other thing happened as well during this election. I wouldn't call that a high point for either party, new lows in the modern era. So much of all of this shit is hypocritical on both sides that it does nothing but make me laugh. Lefties saying that they want to silence an opinion because they disagree with it and allowing it to be voiced somehow means that folks condone it (uhh no it doesn't...) and the righties going on about how everyone should stop being so impolite when a quick google search of how everyone that disagrees with Obama has referred to him over the past 8+ years. Pot calling the kettle black.
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1375979)
The show itself is also racist:
Attorney: ?Hamilton? Casting Call Violates City Human Rights Law « CBS New York they are actively not hiring white people based not on their acting, but the color of their skin. But get special breaks from the city instead of fines. derpmode.
Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1375993)
Scott,
Thank you for taking the time to elaborate on your points. Your witty jabs often leave me wondering what your additional commentary might be. |
Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1375912)
I'm laughing so hard right now.
Trump's tweet on safe spaces right now is so deserving of this thread. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a37c9fdde8.jpg Do you think Pence was triggered by the lack of a safe space? |
Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1376016)
Where did I say anything about all actors being LGBT? I said the cast took him to task for things he has done when he was governor in his state. How is that interpreted as saying all actors are gay? Wat?
Re: rioting... uhhh. Things happened after Obama was elected and when he was running for reelection and won that time as well. The arts are often political. They've been that way throughout history, including during times of dissent where it was the only way to be political and not be hung for it. Most of the time. Where is this concept of disrespect coming from? I know you'd prefer for everyone to just shut up about this stuff, but ironically the first amendment protects that. Saying it needs to be silenced because folks disagree is as ridiculous and un-American a statement as Kaepernick's actions being some sort of giant FU to the flag and everything it stands for. No one is disputing that Kaepernick can't kneel during the anthem, but it's incredibly disrespectful and an inappropriate venue for his speech. He's a paid actor to entertain and play a game, he's not there to advocate one way or the next, and the people paying to watch a football game have a right not to have his opinion shoved down our throats. I can remember a pretty good example of Obama letting a protestor at his rally speak and telling the audience not to boo him because he had the right to speak. |
The vast majority of people have no idea what the first amendment actually says.
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