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Generation Wuss and related crap
Dissenting opinions are all it takes for the latest generation to crumble and cry. Free speech will soon be dead because of Generation Wuss. This topic needed its own thread.
Articles describing incidents of sniveling, emotional collapse, and calls for political intervention in the face of differences of opinion are growing in number at a rapid rate. Our participation trophy kids and special snowflakes are coming home to roost, and they look a lot like turkeys. Pitt Students 'In Tears' and Feeling 'Unsafe' After Milo Yiannopoulos Event - Breitbart The University of Pittsburgh’s Student Government Board held a public meeting on Tuesday to discuss the traumatizing visit the night before from “dangerous” homosexual and Breitbart Tech Editor Milo Yiannopoulos, during which students described themselves as feeling “hurt” and “unsafe.” “During his talk, Yiannopoulos called students who believe in a gender wage gap ‘idiots,’ declared the Black Lives Matter movement a ‘supremacy’ group, while feminists are ‘man-haters,’” according to the student paper The Pitt News, prompting a handful of twenty-something-year olds to feel upset. “Just because we have to be neutral with our funding doesn’t mean we’re personally neutral,” announced board member Jack Heidecker at the meeting. “I hurt yesterday, too.” “So many of us shared in our pain. I felt I was in danger, and I felt so many people in that room were in danger,” proclaimed Marcus Robinson, student and president of the Pittsburgh Rainbow Alliance. Robinson also suggested that councilors should have been provided in another room to protect students who felt “traumatized” by Yiannopoulos’s opinions. “This is more than hurt feelings, this is about real violence. We know that the violence against marginalized groups happens every day in this country,” claimed social work and urban studies major Claire Matway. “That so many people walked out of that [event] feeling in literal physical danger is not alright.” President of the College Republicans and fellow student Tim Nerozzi responded to the complaints by proclaiming, “I’m not here to rain on your parade. We put a trigger warning on our fliers for the event. We never claimed it would be a family friendly or a politically correct lecture.” “I do realize that some people were genuinely hurt, and I’m not going to ignore that, but free speech should not trump safety,” he said. “We need to see the school work around that.” Student Government Board President Nasreen Harun is reported to have “teared up” after “hearing students’ experiences as a result of Milo Yiannopoulos’ talk on Monday.” “We’re very sorry people are feeling the way they are and it was not intended… and we’re sorry people are not proud to be at Pitt,” she expressed in deep remorse. The public meeting was announced in a letter sent out to students by the Student Government Board, stating: In light of yesterday’s event with Milo Yiannopoulos, we feel compelled to write to the Pitt community regarding Student Government Board’s stance on his views and the reasons for which the funding request for this program was approved. If you were in the audience and were disgusted and hurt by the speaker’s remarks, we understand and empathize with you. If you felt marginalized and disparaged by many comments he made regarding your identity and the opinions of others who disagreed with him, we understand your feelings. To the students of color in the audience, we can only begin to imagine how painful it was to hear what both audience members and the speaker said regarding race and social justice issues in this country. Finally, to the survivors of sexual assault, we undoubtedly support you[…] In an email sent out to Pittsburgh students, a joint event between the Rainbow Alliance, Campus Women’s Organization, and Black Action Society is also set to take place on Thursday to “respond to the hate speech and harmful events that have transpired as well as provide a SAFE SPACE for those who have experienced trauma, been triggered, or felt any kind of pain because of the events.”
SGB has funded and taken an active role in many events including the Undy 500: Race against Sexual Assault, lectures by Bernice King and Laverne Cox, and has taken a major role in the implementation of the It’s On Us Campaign on Pitt’s campus. These are just some of the numerous events that take an alternative perspective from last night’s speaker on issues of race, gender identity, and sexual violence on campus. We as an organization wish to make something clear: the decision by Student Government Board to allocate funds for this speaker in no way represents an endorsement of his views or opinions[…] We hope to move forward from what took place last evening, but understand the hurt and pain that it caused[…] Students are welcomed to attend tonight’s Public Meeting at 8:45pm in Nordy’s Place to share their perspectives and viewpoints during either of our two Open Floors. |
If you care to watch the event;
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Do I watch his speech, or continue watching House of Cards?
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They felt physically threatened in a room full of people because some guy up front was saying mean stuff. If these are America's future leaders, we are lost.
snowflakes are coming home to roost |
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An overall lack of discipline of the youth, mixed with parents not distilling a core set of values, morals into the children creates what we have today (mixed with a multitude of other issues) and we end up with a generation of self entitled, disrespectful little brats who feel their voice is far more important than everyone elses.
I also personally feel as if social media is heavily to blame for these issues as well. |
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Do I watch his speech, or continue watching House of Cards?
I always find it comical to watch an American's reaction to European views and directness. I guess our profiling would tend to link being gay with being "liberal". |
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They felt physically threatened in a room full of people because some guy up front was saying mean stuff. If these are America's future leaders, we are lost.
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I vote that Turbo Kitten be replaced by the ultimate Troll: Milo Yiannopoulos. He does, after all, nearly flawlessly represent the collective voice of MT.Net. At least his satirical rants do.
It's obvious that there was a bad case of "The Feels" going around that crowd, although, saying those things would be frowned upon anywhere that isn't a Trump Rally / Rush Limbaugh BBQ. Milo Yiannopoulos almost never gives 100% of his actual opinions at speeches like these. Instead, he pitches hyperbolized fragments of his beliefs, in an obvious effort to stir the pot. In an actual discussion he's fairly reasonable, and acknowledges the shortcomings of the dramatized persona he offers the media. Freedom of speech wasn't infringed, nor will it be. He was allowed to rant, and feels were allowed to be felt. Being the tough guys that we are, I suggest we all cope with this impending injustice by taking our cats for a drive in our respective Miatas, in an effort to show solidarity. |
so he's basically like ann coulter?
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FWIW the biggest wusses get the most publicity. That's their main goal. There is still a large portion of this generation that doesn't give a shit what names they get called, and who still believe in free speech. As always the media is highlighting the "worst of the bunch".
I graduated in June from a state university and I can say with confidence that there is a large portion of the community who is against a lot of this bullshit. They just aren't as vocal as the ones who are. Spend time on the facebook page that people talk shit on and you will see both view points, and a shit ton of backlash. There was this hilarious post recently where someone made a diabetes joke, someone "took offense with it" (something along the lines of diabetes sufferers don't think thats funny) and then someone with diabetes came in and said that joke was hilarious, stop being a bitch. Let me find the post. So don't lose all hope yet. |
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Cameo Whitten is okay; Riley Evans needs to be bitch slapped until she stops wasting oxygen.
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As a 34 year old, I can't imagine growing up in the 2000's; it's a completely different world.
Cross-generational differences is a pretty basic concept, and it's certainly at play here. Your Mom didn't understand some of the things you experienced or were passionate about as a child and young adult, nor did her Mom, and so on. Now, consider that significant societal change occurs so abruptly nowadays, that you can experience a huge "generational" gap with only a 10 year spread between people, often even less. As new issues arise and societal norms & expectations evolve or devolve, those who face them most directly will largely dictate the status quo. The feels felt, while completely absurd to some of us, are a result of many of these downplayed issues actually existing. There is however one constant: Diabetes will always be gross and funny. |
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As a 34 year old, I can't imagine growing up in the 2000's; it's a completely different world.
Cross-generational differences is a pretty basic concept, and it's certainly at play here. Your Mom didn't understand some of the things you experienced or were passionate about as a child and young adult, nor did her Mom, and so on. OK, like, the way I feel about the Rolling Stones is the way my kids are going to feel about Nine Inch Nails, so I really shouldn't torment my Mom anymore, huh? |
« Generation Wuss » by Bret Easton Ellis | Vanity Fair
In February I gave an interview to Vice UK to help promote a film I had written and financed called The Canyons—I did the press because there was still the idea, the hope, that if myself or the director Paul Schrader talked about the film it would somehow find an audience interested in it and understand what it was: an experimental, guerilla DIY affair that cost $150,000 dollars to shoot ($90,000 out of our own pockets) and that we filmed over twenty days in L.A. during the summer of 2012 starring controversial Millennials Lindsay Lohan and porn star James Deen. The young journalist from Vice UK asked me about the usual things I was preoccupied with in that moment: my admiration of Martin Scorsese’s The Wolf of Wall Street—the best film I saw in 2013 (not great Scorsese, but better than any other American film that year) and we talked about the movie I’m writing for Kanye West, my love of Terrence Malick (though not To The Wonder), a miniseries I was developing about the Manson murders for FOX (but because of another Manson series going into production at NBC the miniseries has now been cancelled), the Bret Easton Ellis Podcast (link), the possibility of a new novel I had begun in January of 2013 and that I lost interest in but hoped to get back to; we talked about my problems with David Foster Wallace, my love of Joan Didion, as well as Empire versus post-Empire (link) and we talked about, of course, The Canyons. But the first question the young journalist asked me wasn’t about the movie—it was about why I was always referring to Millennials as Generation Wuss on my Twitter feed. And I answered her honestly, unprepared for the level of noise my comments caused once the Vice UK piece was posted. I have been living with someone from the Millennial generation for the last four years (he’s now 27) and sometimes I’m charmed and sometimes I’m exasperated by how him and his friends—as well as the Millennials I’ve met and interacted with both in person and in social media—deal with the world, and I’ve tweeted about my amusement and frustration under the banner “Generation Wuss” for a few years now. My huge generalities touch on their over-sensitivity, their insistence that they are right despite the overwhelming proof that suggests they are not, their lack of placing things within context, the overreacting, the passive-aggressive positivity, and, of course, all of this exacerbated by the meds they’ve been fed since childhood by over-protective “helicopter” parents mapping their every move. These are late-end Baby Boomers and Generation X parents who were now rebelling against their own rebelliousness because of the love they felt that they never got from their selfish narcissistic Boomer parents and who end up smothering their kids, inducing a kind of inadequate preparation in how to deal with the hardships of life and the real way the world works: people won’t like you, that person may not love you back, kids are really cruel, work sucks, it’s hard to be good at something, life is made up of failure and disappointment, you’re not talented, people suffer, people grow old, people die. And Generation Wuss responds by collapsing into sentimentality and creating victim narratives rather than acknowledging the realities of the world and grappling with them and processing them and then moving on, better prepared to navigate an often hostile or indifferent world that doesn’t care if you exist. I never pretended to be an expert on Millenials and my harmless tweeting about them was solely based on personal observation with the reactions to the tweets predictably running along generational lines. For example, one of the worst fights my boyfriend and I endured was about the Tyler Clemente suicide here in the United States. Clemente was an 18 year-old Rutger’s University student who killed himself because he felt he was being bullied by his roommate Dharun Ravi. Ravi never touched Tyler or threatened him but filmed Tyler making out with another man unbeknownst to Tyler and then tweeted about it. Embarrassed by this web-cam prank, Tyler threw himself off the George Washington Bridge a few days later. The fight I had with my boyfriend was about victimization narratives and cyber-“bullying” versus imagined threats and genuine hands-on bullying. Was this just the case of an overly sensitive Generation Wuss snowflake that made national news because of how trendy the idea of cyber-bullying was in that moment (and still is to a degree) or was this a deeply troubled young person who simply snapped because he was brought down by his own shame and then was turned into a victim/hero (they are the same thing now in the United States) by a press eager to present the case out of context and turning Ravi into a monster just because of a pretty harmless—in my mind—freshman dorm-room prank? People my age tended to agree with my tweets, but people my boyfriend’s age tended to, of course, disagree. But then again my reaction stems from the fact that I am looking at Millenials from the POV of a member of one of the most pessimistic and ironic generations that has ever roamed the earth—Generation X—so when I hear Millenials being so damaged by “cyber-bullying” that it becomes a gateway to suicide—it’s difficult for me to process. And even my boyfriend agrees that Generation Wuss is overly sensitive, especially when dealing with criticism. When Generation Wuss creates something they have so many outlets to display it that it often goes out into the world unfettered, unedited, posted everywhere, and because of this freedom a lot of the content displayed is rushed and kind of shitty and that’s OK—it’s just the nature of the world now—but when Millennials are criticized for this content they seem to collapse into a shame spiral and the person criticizing them is automatically labeled a hater, a contrarian, a troll. And then you have to look at the generation that raised them, that coddled them in praise—gold medals for everyone, four stars for just showing up—and tried to shield them from the dark side of life, and in turn created a generation that appears to be super confident and positive about things but when the least bit of darkness enters into their realm they become paralyzed and unable to process it. My generation was raised by Baby Boomers in a kind of complete fantasy world at the height of the Empire: Boomers were the most privileged and the best educated children of The Great Generation, enjoying the economic boom of post-World War II American society. My generation realized that like most fantasies it was a somewhat dissatisfying lie and so we rebelled with irony and negativity and attitude or conveniently just checked-out because we had the luxury to do so. Our reality compared to Millennial reality wasn’t one of economic hardship. We had the luxury to be depressed and ironic and cool. Anxiety and neediness are the defining aspects of Generation Wuss and when you don’t have the cushion of rising through the world economically then what do you rely on? Well, your social media presence: maintaining it, keeping the brand in play, striving to be liked, to be liked, to be liked. And this creates its own kind of ceaseless anxiety. This is why if anyone has a snarky opinion of Generation Wuss then that person is labeled by them as a “douche”—case closed. No negativity—we just want to be admired. This is problematic because it limits discourse: if we all just like everything—the Millennial dream—then what are we going to be talking about? How great everything is? How often you’ve pressed the like button on Facebook? The Millennial site Buzzfeed has said they are no longer going to run anything negative—well, if this keeps spreading, then what’s going to happen to culture? What’s going to happen to conversation and discourse? If there doesn’t seem to be an economic way of elevating yourself then the currency of popularity is just the norm now and so this is why you want to have thousands and thousands of people liking you on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Tumbler—and you try desperately to be liked. The only way to elevate yourself in society is through your brand, your profile, your social media presence. A friend of mine—also a member of Generation Wuss—remarked that Millennials are more curators than artists, a generation of “aestheticists…any young artist who goes on Tumbler doesn’t want to create actual art—they either want to steal the art or they want to BE the art.” I forgot about the Vice interview but was reminded of it due to a minor explosion that occurred after it was posted and the term Generation Wuss received an inordinate amount of press and I was immediately asked to appear on talk shows and podcasts and radio programs to discuss “the phenomenon” of Generation Wuss. The people who agreed with my casual, tossed-off assessments skewed older but I was surprised by the number of young people who agreed with me as well, Millennials who also had complaints about their generation. The older people wanted to share examples: a father related a story how he remembered watching in frustration as his son participated in a tug-of-war game with his classmates on the field of his elementary school and after a minute or two the well-meaning coach announced the game was officially a tie, told the kids they did a great job, and everyone got a ribbon. Occasionally there were darker stories: guilt-ridden parents chastising themselves for coddling kids who when finally faced with the normal reality of the world drifted into drugs as an escape…from the normal reality of the world. Parents kept reaching out and told me they were tormented by this oppressive need to reward their kids constantly in this culture. That in doing so they effectively debilitated them from dealing with the failures we all confront as get older, and that their children were unequipped to deal with pain. I didn’t appear on any of the talk shows because I don’t pretend to be an expert on this generation any more than I feel I’m an expert on my own: I don’t feel like that old man complaining about the generation supplanting his. As someone who throughout his own career satirized my generation for their materialism and their shallowness, I didn’t think that pointing out aspects I noticed in Millennials was that big of a deal. But in the way that the 24-48 hour news cycle plays itself out I briefly was considered an “expert” and I kept getting bombarded with emails and tweets. What the Vice interview didn’t allow was that because I’ve been living with someone from this generation I’m sympathetic to them as well, remembering clearly the hellish year my college-educated boyfriend looked for a job and could only find non-paying internships. Add in the demeaning sexual atmosphere that places a relentless emphasis on good looks (Tinder being the most prevalent example) in such a superficially nightmarish way it makes the way my generation hooked-up seem positively chaste and innocent by comparison. So I’m sympathetic to Generation Wuss and their neurosis, their narcissism and their foolishness—add the fact that they were raised in the aftermath of 9/11, two wars, a brutal recession and it’s not hard to be sympathetic. But maybe in the way Lena Dunham is in “Girls” a show that perceives them with a caustic and withering eye and is also sympathetic. And this is crucial: you can be both. In-fact in order to be an artist, to raise yourself above the din in an over-reactionary fear-based culture that considers criticism elitist, you need to be both. But this is a hard thing to do because Millennials can’t deal with that kind of cold-eye reality. This is why Generation Wuss only asks right now : please, please, please, only give positive feedback please. |
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It turns out that the GenWu phenomenon isn't limited to America, or even to Euro-Caucasian states. The phenomenon of adults in their late teens or 20s retreating back into an isolationist childhood form because they can't deal with real life is so prevalent and well-documented in present-day Japan that there's a name for it: Hikikomori.
Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leave their rooms? By William Kremer and Claudia Hammond BBC World Service https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1458607883 As many as a million young people in Japan are thought to remain holed up in their homes - sometimes for decades at a time. Why? For Hide, the problems started when he gave up school. "I started to blame myself and my parents also blamed me for not going to school. The pressure started to build up," he says. "Then, gradually, I became afraid to go out and fearful of meeting people. And then I couldn't get out of my house." Gradually, Hide relinquished all communication with friends and eventually, his parents. To avoid seeing them he slept through the day and sat up all night, watching TV. "I had all kinds of negative emotions inside me," he says. "The desire to go outside, anger towards society and my parents, sadness about having this condition, fear about what would happen in the future, and jealousy towards the people who were leading normal lives." Hide had become "withdrawn" or hikikomori. In Japan, hikikomori, a term that's also used to describe the young people who withdraw, is a word that everyone knows. Tamaki Saito was a newly qualified psychiatrist when, in the early 1990s, he was struck by the number of parents who sought his help with children who had quit school and hidden themselves away for months and sometimes years at a time. These young people were often from middle-class families, they were almost always male, and the average age for their withdrawal was 15. It might sound like straightforward teenage laziness. Why not stay in your room while your parents wait on you? But Saito says sufferers are paralysed by profound social fears. "They are tormented in the mind," he says. "They want to go out in the world, they want to make friends or lovers, but they can't." Symptoms vary between patients. For some, violent outbursts alternate with infantile behaviour such as pawing at the mother's body. Other patients might be obsessive, paranoid and depressed. When Saito began his research, social withdrawal was not unknown, but it was treated by doctors as a symptom of other underlying problems rather than a pattern of behaviour requiring special treatment. Since he drew attention to the phenomenon, it is thought the numbers of hikikomori have increased. A conservative estimate of the number of people now affected is 200,000, but a 2010 survey for the Japanese Cabinet Office came back with a much higher figure - 700,000. Since sufferers are by definition hidden away, Saito himself places the figure higher still, at around one million. The average age of hikikomori also seems to have risen over the last two decades. Before it was 21 - now it is 32. So why do they withdraw? The trigger for a boy retreating to his bedroom might be comparatively slight - poor grades or a broken heart, for example - but the withdrawal itself can become a source of trauma. And powerful social forces can conspire to keep him there. One such force is sekentei, a person's reputation in the community and the pressure he or she feels to impress others. The longer hikikomori remain apart from society, the more aware they become of their social failure. They lose whatever self-esteem and confidence they had and the prospect of leaving home becomes ever more terrifying. Parents are also conscious of their social standing and frequently wait for months before seeking professional help. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1458607883 "I don't want to talk to anybody. I don't want to do anything. I don't even have the will to pick up the phone. Just what am I supposed to do?" Welcome to NHK! was a novel, comic book and cartoon about the life of a hikikomori. (Copyright Tatsuhiko TAKIMOTO 2004, Kendi OIWA 2004. Published by KADOKAWASHOTEN.) A second social factor is the amae - dependence - that characterises Japanese family relationships. Young women traditionally live with their parents until marriage, and men may never move out of the family home. Even though about half of hikikomori are violent towards their parents, for most families it would be unthinkable to throw them out. But in exchange for decades of support for their children, parents expect them to show respect and fulfil their role in society of getting a job. Matsu became hikikomori after he fell out with his parents about his career and university course. "I was very well mentally, but my parents pushed me the way I didn't want to go," he says. "My father is an artist and he runs his own business - he wanted me to do the same." But Matsu wanted to become a computer programmer in a large firm - one of corporate Japan's army of "salarymen". "But my father said: 'In the future there won't be a society like that.' He said: 'Don't become a salaryman.'" Like many hikikomori, Matsu was the eldest son and felt the full weight of parental expectation. He grew furious when he saw his younger brother doing what he wanted. "I became violent and had to live separately from my family," he says. One way to interpret Matsu's story is see him as being at the faultline of a cultural shift in Japan. "Traditionally, Japanese psychology was thought to be group-oriented - Japanese people do not want to stand out in a group," says Yuriko Suzuki, a psychologist at the National Institute for Mental Health in Tokyo. "But I think especially for the younger generation, they want more individualised or personalised care and attention. I think we are in a mixed state." But even hikikomori who desperately want to fulfil their parents' plans for them may find themselves frustrated. Andy Furlong, an academic at the University of Glasgow specialising in the transition from education to work, connects the growth of the hikikomori phenomenon with the popping of the 1980s "bubble economy" and the onset of Japan's recession of the 1990s. It was at this point that the conveyor belt of good school grades leading to good university places leading to jobs-for-life broke down. A generation of Japanese were faced with the insecurity of short-term, part-time work. And it came with stigma, not sympathy. Job-hopping Japanese were called "freeters" - a combination of the word "freelance" and the German word for "worker", arbeiter. In political discussion, freeters were frequently bundled together with "neets" - an adopted British acronym meaning "not in education, employment or training". Neets, freeters, hikikomori - these were ways of describing the good-for-nothing younger generation, parasites on the flagging Japanese economy. The older generation, who graduated and slotted into steady careers in the 1960s and 1970s, could not relate to them. "The opportunities have changed fundamentally," says Furlong. "I don't think the families always know how to handle that." https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1458607883 University graduates at a job-hunting fair in February... but freeters, neets and hikikomori find themselves on the periphery of Japan's labour market A common reaction is for parents to treat their recalcitrant son with anger, to lecture them and make them feel guilty for bringing shame on the family. The risk here is that - as with Hide - communication with parents may break down altogether. But some parents have been driven to extreme measures. For a time one company operating in Nagoya could be hired by parents to burst into their children's rooms, give them a big dressing down, and forcibly drag them away to a dormitory to learn the error of their ways. Kazuhiko Saito, the director of the psychiatry department at Kohnodai Hospital in Chiba, says that sudden interventions - even by healthcare professionals - can prove disastrous. "In many cases, the patient becomes violent towards the staff or the parents in front of the counsellors, or after the counsellors have left," he says. Kazuhiko Saito is in favour of healthcare professionals visiting hikikomori, but he says they must be fully briefed on the patient, who must know in advance that they are coming. In any case, the do-nothing approach has been shown not to work. Tamaki Saito likens the hikikomori state to alcoholism, in that it is impossible to give up without a support network. His approach is to begin with "reorganising" the relationship between the patient and his parents, arming desperate mothers and fathers with strategies to restart communication with their children. When the patient is well enough to come to the clinic in person he can be treated with drugs and therapy. Group therapy is a relatively new concept to Japanese psychology, but self-help groups have become a key way of drawing hikikomori into wider society. For both Hide and Matsu, the journey to recovery was helped by visiting a charity-run youth club in Tokyo known as an ibasho - a safe place for visitors to start reintroducing themselves to society. Both men have made progress in their relationships with their parents. Matsu has been for a job interview as a computer programmer, and Hide has a part-time job. He thinks that by starting to talk again with his parents, the whole family has been able to move on. "They thought about their way of life in the past and in the future," he says. "I think that before - even though they were out working - their mental attitude was just like a hikikomori, but now they're more open and honest with themselves. So as their child I'm very happy to see them change." Many parents of hikikomori visit the ibasho even though their children may never be well enough to come with them. Yoshiko's son withdrew from society very gradually when he was 22. At first he would go out to buy shopping, but she observes ruefully that internet shopping means this is no longer necessary and he no longer leaves the house. He is now 50 years old. "I think my son is losing the power or desire to do what he wants to do," she says. "Maybe he used to have something he wanted to do but I think I ruined it." Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leave their rooms? - BBC News |
being mean provides results:
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I first saw this story 2 days ago, but it was only in places of questionable objectivity (eg: Fox news and ultra-conservative blogs.) It's now been reported by both The Post and CBS News, so I guess it's real.
The short version is that someone expressed a political opinion on a college campus, and the students are now traumatized, feel unsafe, etc. And they are literally petitioning the university to condemn and suppress free political speech. The political opinion was not "All women deserve to be raped by AIDS-infected football players after being roofied" or anything like that. The opinion, written in chalk on a sidewalk was, in its entirety, the following: "Trump 2016." Let me repeat. A bunch of university students are petitioning their own university to enjoin PRIOR RESTRAINT ON POLITICAL SPEECH. This is one of those rare moments when I just can't even... Someone wrote ‘Trump 2016’ on Emory’s campus in chalk. Some students said they no longer feel safe. By Susan Svrluga March 24 at 6:00 AM https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1458836899 Chalk messages in support of Donald Trump at Emory University. (Photos courtesy of Amelia Sims) Conservative students at Emory University are planning a free-speech event for next week, after an outcry on campus over messages supporting Donald Trump. Students woke up Monday morning to find messages written in chalk all over campus, in support of Donald Trump. That afternoon, a group of 40 to 50 students protested. According to the student newspaper, the Emory Wheel, they shouted in the quad, “You are not listening! Come speak to us, we are in pain!” and then students moved into the administration building calling out, “It is our duty to fight for our freedom. It is our duty to win. We must love each other and support each other. We have nothing to lose but our chains.” Jim Wagner, the president of the university in Atlanta, met with the protesters and later sent an email to the campus community, explaining, in part, “During our conversation, they voiced their genuine concern and pain in the face of this perceived intimidation. “After meeting with our students, I cannot dismiss their expression of feelings and concern as motivated only by political preference or over-sensitivity. Instead, the students with whom I spoke heard a message, not about political process or candidate choice, but instead about values regarding diversity and respect that clash with Emory’s own.” The story spread quickly, as media such as Reason mocked, “At Emory University, Writing ‘Trump 2016′ on Sidewalk Is a Racist Microaggression …,” with references to students needing “trigger warnings” and “safe spaces” to protect them from presidential candidates’ names and slogans. For many, it was another sign of college students being so overly sensitive that even political campaigning could be seen as hate speech. But some students noted that given Trump’s rhetoric, the messages were clearly meant to be divisive. And the slogans appeared weeks after Georgia held its primary election on March 1. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1458836899 Student petition being shared on social media at Emory Representatives of the Emory Latino Student Organization declined to comment Wednesday. But they posted a statement on their group Facebook page: Yesterday, the Emory community was witness to an act of cowardice, when someone decided to plaster pro-Donald Trump slogans all over campus. The people who did this knew that what they were doing was wrong, because why else would they do so in the dead of night when no one else could witness them? They did not do this merely to support the presidential candidate, but to promote the hate and discrimination that goes along with him. While some students only see the name of a potential nominee, others see hostility and venom which promises to destroy lives. A spokeswoman for the Trump campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment Wednesday.The Emory Latino Student Organization condemns this as an act meant to instigate division on our campus. We have the freedom of speech in this country to express different ideas. But it is un-American to support hatred against others, and that is exactly what Donald Trump is doing. Rather than use censorship and retaliation, we know that Emory has the courage to stand firm. Not with fear, but with confidence. Not with hate, but with love. This act which was meant to create discord among the Emory community ultimately serves to further unite us. Amelia Sims, a senior from Memphis who is chair of the college Republicans at Emory, said she isn’t disagreeing that Trump has said insensitive things, and she believes people have the right to protest. “Those kinds of discussions are important to have on campus. But I think the response from President Wagner was just kind of embarrassing for the school — because it’s not his job to police who students on campus can and cannot support.” She said the college Republicans — whose executive board supports one of Trump’s opponents, Ted Cruz — and another campus group, Young Americans for Liberty, plan to host a “free speech wall.” “… Part of being in college is having experiences where you question your values, question what you believe. College is meant to be a time when you have diversity. Not just diversity of race but diversity of opinion, diversity of culture. It should not be that universities are just echo boxes, so people can’t encounter opinions they disagree with.” https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1458836899 A university spokeswoman sent a statement clarifying the policy violation: “Chalkings by students are allowed as a form of expression on the Emory campus but must be limited to certain areas and must not deface campus property — these chalkings did not follow guidelines — that’s the issue regarding violation of policy, not the content. ” https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1458836899 Here is Wagner’s message in full: Dear Emory Community, Yesterday I received a visit from 40 to 50 student protesters upset by the unexpected chalkings on campus sidewalks and some buildings yesterday morning, in this case referencing Donald Trump. The students shared with me their concern that these messages were meant to intimidate rather than merely to advocate for a particular candidate, having appeared outside of the context of a Georgia election or campus campaign activity. During our conversation, they voiced their genuine concern and pain in the face of this perceived intimidation. After meeting with our students, I cannot dismiss their expression of feelings and concern as motivated only by political preference or over-sensitivity. Instead, the students with whom I spoke heard a message, not about political process or candidate choice, but instead about values regarding diversity and respect that clash with Emory’s own. As an academic community, we must value and encourage the expression of ideas, vigorous debate, speech, dissent, and protest. At the same time, our commitment to respect, civility, and inclusion calls us to provide a safe environment that inspires and supports courageous inquiry. It is important that we recognize, listen to, and honor the concerns of these students, as well as faculty and staff who may feel similarly. On the heels of work begun by students last fall and advanced last month through the Racial Justice Retreat and subsequent working groups, Emory is taking a number of significant steps: Immediate refinements to certain policy and procedural deficiencies (for example, our bias incident reporting and response process); Regular and structured opportunities for difficult dialogues (like the Transforming Community Project of several years ago); A formal process to institutionalize identification, review, and addressing of social justice opportunities and issues; and Commitment to an annual retreat to renew our efforts. To keep moving forward, we must continue to engage in rich and meaningful dialogue around critical issues facing our nation and our society. I learn from every conversation like the one that took place yesterday and know that further conversations are necessary. More than that, such discussions should lead to action that continues to foster a more just and inclusive Emory. Sincerely, Jim Wagner |
Wait people at a college are getting upset over chalk tags saying TRUMP? Hell when I was at GMU from 2005-2010, chalk writing was all over the place on the sides of buildings and on sidewalks. I know there are plenty of times that I was drunk at night and drew penis's and used vulgar language on the sidewalks.
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Unbelievable. I'm embarrassed to be part of this generation.
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Unbelievable. I'm embarrassed to be part of this generation.
I'm serious. People DIED protesting against the restraint of political speech on college campuses during the decade in which I was born. They were gunned down by national guardsmen for exercising their first-amendment rights. And now, 40 years later, we have kids on these same campuses DEMANDING their first-amendment rights be taken away? This is utterly incomprehensible. And I'm not speaking out of hyperbole here, I literally cannot wrap my head around this concept. These kids are saying that speaking in favor of Trump is a micro-aggression. It makes me wonder how they'd deal with an actual, real world macro-aggression. Like, you know, soldiers with guns and police in riot-gear storming the campus and physically assaulting them. |
I can't either. The worst part is its the vocal minority that gives us a bad name. I'm to busy actually doing shit in my life to waste time shitting about all these little triggers. The most vocal of my acquaintances on facebook all are at college on their parents dime studying liberal arts and planning on living with their parents again when they get home
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Emory is only a 4.5 hour drive from me. This weekend do I work on turbo setup or do I constantly tag their campus with chalk TRUMP signs?
Actually I am going to be in ATL I believe next month for a Friday night concert. I am very tempted to go out afterwards and have fun with chalk. |
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It makes me wonder how they'd deal with an actual, real world macro-aggression. Like, you know, soldiers with guns and police in riot-gear storming the campus and physically assaulting them.
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What I should really do is chalk their campus in Trump Friday night and see if they protest on Saturday. Then Saturday night chalk their campus in Bernie and see if they protest on Sunday. Would be a good social experiment.
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We wish to be inclusive and encourage free speech unless we don't agree with you. If we disagree with your opinion then we will fight to remove your right to free political speech.
I hear, "Diversity and freedom and inclusion means you must think just like me, do just like me, or be excluded from my world." |
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We wish to be inclusive and encourage free speech unless we don't agree with you. If we disagree with your opinion then we will fight to remove your right to free political speech.
I hear, "Diversity and freedom and inclusion means you must think just like me, do just like me, or be excluded from my world." |
I will fight to preserve the rights of others to their political speech, even if I disagree with them. That is the fundamental difference.
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I will fight to preserve the rights of others to their political speech, even if I disagree with them. That is the fundamental difference.
Any American can espouse any moronic idea or viewpoint that they wish. They can rant about it via whatever means are available to them. I don't have to like it. I don't have to respect it. I don't even have to tolerate it. But the idea that I would attempt to suppress their fundamental right to express said idea? It's utterly inconceivable. I shall merely utilize my own right to free expression to mock, ridicule, and humiliate them to my heart's content. The correct response to bad speech has always been more speech. |
Brownshirts burning books in the 1930s. This is exactly the same thing. It leads to the same end. I'm sickened.
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As a hard working ambitious young capitalist born in the 90s I for one enjoy the lack of competition.
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walterobchakeit
Still: it would be nice if we had such a word. Anyway, as for Generation Wuss, I fail to get on with them. My ex-girlfriend was very obsessed with Instagram and very proud of all her followers. To me all those stupid selfies and other random photos were pointless. I love this forum, hate cats are brilliant :hatecat:, we are the pinnacle of modern society |
I can speak from first hand experience that it really does show in the job market. I work at a tree company that my parents own, also at a few other companies. The two factors that I see people leaving from is drugs or having to work a 40 hour week. People have gotten extremely lazy in no small part by help of the gov't. Why work when someone else can pay for it?
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I don't believe that it represents a majority opinion among all current-gen university students, however demands that political speech be prohibited on a university campus is easily one of the most disturbing trends I can recall witnessing in recent memory, no matter how small the voice in question.
I'm serious. People DIED protesting against the restraint of political speech on college campuses during the decade in which I was born. They were gunned down by national guardsmen for exercising their first-amendment rights. And now, 40 years later, we have kids on these same campuses DEMANDING their first-amendment rights be taken away? This is utterly incomprehensible. And I'm not speaking out of hyperbole here, I literally cannot wrap my head around this concept. These kids are saying that speaking in favor of Trump is a micro-aggression. It makes me wonder how they'd deal with an actual, real world macro-aggression. Like, you know, soldiers with guns and police in riot-gear storming the campus and physically assaulting them. |
I have a 20-something y/o son. Here's a recent conversation;
Son: Dad, I just lost my job. [An often reoccurring event] Me: What happened this time? Son: I had a bad headache, so I didn't go in - and they had the nerve to fire me! Me: So this was the first time that happened [on this job]? Son: No...I didn't go in a week ago 'cause I overslept, and...the week before I had to go to court 'cause of my baby-momma... Me: And you told them about that, right? Son: Yeah, after I got back... Me: And you knew about the court date before? Son: Well...yeah. Me: And you couldn't tell them about it before the court date? Son: I didn't think... Me: You're right. You didn't think! [pause] Son: Dad, can I borrow $20? [pause] [hang up phone] And these are tomorrow's leaders...:facepalm: |
Most of these kids have never heard the word "no". I definitely learned this when managing a team of college kids. Most of them couldn't take any criticism. If I told them to remake a part because it was out of tolerance, they'd get fed up and quit. Or if I'd get upset at them for not meeting a deadline, they'd go behind my back and talk shit about me to other teammates. They're making it all the way to college without ever putting in real work, suffering through consequences, figuring things out without google, or even doing a load of laundry.
Despite the negatives of the situation, I'm certainly fortunate that I grew up with my single Mom who had a vision disability. It forced (more like allowed, because I would never complain about helping her) me to help balance her check book with her, read through documents when buying a house, help her take the bus to a new side of town, or proofread her writing. |
Recognizing that a certain percentage of any large group of people, of any generation, are bound to naturally be slackers, I wonder the following:
As a broad generalization, is there a noticeable difference in the number of teens and 20-somethings today who have significant life goals and ambitions, or in the strength and reasonableness of said ambitions, as compared to those of my generation, or that of my parents and grandparents, at the same age? In other words, when I was five, I wanted to be an astronaut. That isn't really a reasonable ambition for most people, and I didn't pursue it in any way. But when I was 18, I wanted to be an engineer. So I became one. It took a while, and some hard work was involved, but now I have money, power, good wine, fine clothes, the admiration of my peers, and access to genetically-desirable breeding partners. By comparison, some of the people I went to school with still have crappy jobs and crappy lives, because they were some combination of talentless / lazy / stupid / just don't care. And, of course, there are a few at the other end of the scale who are highly-successful doctors / lawyers / investment bankers / etc., who make me look downright average by comparison. So if we were to plot a bell curve for each generation, in which the X-axis represents motivation and ambition ranging from "is basically a lazier version of Jeff Lebowski" to "holds Nobel prizes in both physics and lovemaking, and was appointed Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court after retiring from the Marine Corps" what would they look like when overlaid? |
I believe that media has just become more prevalent, and it is easier for the lazy people to display their laziness in its full glory.
The most active people on my facebook/social media sites are the ones with no jobs living at home. I graduated in a class of 300+ engineers, and many of us are working full time jobs contributing to society. Just because you hear about all the lazy assholes doesn't mean there are any more of them. |
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I believe that media has just become more prevalent, and it is easier for the lazy people to display their laziness in its full glory.
And the increasingly low barriers to entry to the modern mass-media have also allowed people who are ignorant, easily butthurt, and have an insatiable need for acknowledgement to utilize it as a tool in order to achieve the recognition which they require. But does it go both ways? Is there a feedback effect by which the portrayal of people shouting for safe spaces and yelling about how offended they are actually causes the social normalization of said behavior, and thus causes others to behave in this manner? Or, put another way, nobody at my University ever petitioned for the redaction of the First Amendment, or called for the resignation of the chancellor / dean / president on the grounds that zhe* invited a speaker to university who said something other than "you are a special snowflake," or what have you. * = note use of non-binary, gender-neutral pronoun. |
Originally Posted by aidandj
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I believe that media has just become more prevalent, and it is easier for the lazy people to display their laziness in its full glory.
The most active people on my facebook/social media sites are the ones with no jobs living at home. I graduated in a class of 300+ engineers, and many of us are working full time jobs contributing to society. Just because you hear about all the lazy assholes doesn't mean there are any more of them. Maybe the bell curve would be skewed a bit (Cpk) but the Cp would be the same. Or maybe it's Ppk and Pp in this case. :dunno: No doubt my parents had this same discussion and their parents before them... |
You know how successful business owners often have overprivileged sons who waste all daddy's money and run the company into the ground shortly after being given the reins? We are about 20 years from handing our country over to an entire generation of those same kids.
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
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You know how successful business owners often have overprivileged sons who waste all daddy's money and run the company into the ground shortly after being given the reins? We are about 20 years from handing our country over to an entire generation of those same kids.
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A substantial difference between the past and today is that the government is supporting the bottem end of the bell curve. A bum used to be a bum. Now they are on disability taking home more than those who work.
Reminds me of the couple in The UK a few years back, where she played the part of a pet, and he led her around everywhere on a leash. They were supported by the welfare system there and planned to continue doing nothing but parading about like that for the rest of their lives. |
One definite change is the bell curve for first job (finalized ed) being shifted higher.
My father took his first job at 14, I took my first just before 30. Not the center of the curve, but today's social media specialist are older before they leave the nest. |
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more chalk:
https://www.foramerica.org/2016/03/16806/ The University of Kansas is investigating pro-Donald Trump chalk that appeared on campus sidewalks Tuesday morning. KU students took to Twitter this week to express their outrage over the political speech, saying they are troubled that some of their classmates are Trump supporters, and even comparing the chalk messages to the confederate flag. The university said that they would have allowed students to chalk had they applied for approval, but allegedly had staff remove the unapproved chalking the day it was discovered. Former student senator Shegufta Huma, however, argued that approval from the University is less important than the message itself, tweeting a photo of one chalking with the caption, “Is this the post-racial paradise folks pretend exists?” “The issue isn’t whether a student chalked or if it was approved,” Huma tweeted later. “The issue is folks in the KU vicinity support a racist, sexist demagogue.” Nor were the students mollified when the KU News service pointed out that the chalking may have been done by someone from outside the school community. “@KUnews does it matter? The presence of support is on campus, and that’s enough,” KU student Brittany Bodenheimer tweeted in reply. “Almost more concerning if it wasn’t a Jayhawk.” Some didn’t like the University’s response to Huma, who was one of the first to complain about the chalk on Twitter. Rock Chalk Invisible Hawks, the group behind last semester’s on-campus protests,which included the harassment of a charity fundraiser, tweeted that KU should have denounced the “Trump propaganda,” and instead was “defensive.” They also suggested in a separate tweetthat KU should “intervene.” Bodenheimer tweeted that KU “plays down student concerns” and just pretends to listen. The University does have a clearly-stated policy requiring prior approval for chalking, saying that “all other chalking is subject to immediate removal and the individuals or groups responsible may be charged the cost of cleanup.” This comes just a week after a similar incident occurred at Emory University, which caused the school’s student government to allocate funds to help support students traumatized by the chalk. |
Well, I was moving away from Lawrence. Had to leave something behind :)
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A racist, sexist demagogue? Like Malcolm X?
Or Kweisi Mfume? |
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welcome to the circus.
Here’s a little pick me up for your Friday morning. If you needed one. Wherever you stand on Donald Trump, put it aside for a tiny second. Because it doesn’t matter where you line up on the Donald to enjoy this. Sure, there are rational reasons to oppose Donald Trump. Yet, for some reason, leftist protesters insist on protesting in a way that just makes more people want to support who they are protesting. Take this Anti-Trump protester, who this time at least made protesting that more…entertaining. ... Everyone in gymnastics knows to stick the landing. Guess this guy didn’t get the memo. Word of advice to you protesters out there: keep doing this. Please, for the love of all things humor, mock and rail on against whatever candidate you hate at the moment. Please, for the love of all things humor, berate that candidate’s supporters with colorful (yet unoriginal) insults, cuss words, dirtiness. Please, for the love of all things humor, look as ridiculous as possible. That includes bandanas in long hair, guys. Take note. Then, please, for the love of all things humor, make a complete ass out of yourself by backflipping on your head. If you’ve ever been to a political rally, where tolerant leftists come out to tell you off for *pick your reason* I’m sorry I’ve henceforth ruined all future rallies. What are the odds a leftist will backflip on his own head for your viewing pleasure? Slim. Also, earlier this week, a teenage girl got pepper-sprayed to the face after cold-cocking someone in the crowd. Yes, also at a Trump rally in Wisconsin. Lesson for leftists who protest? You’re idiots. But we do thank those of you who prove it through your own actions. Saves us the trouble. Provides us some laughs. |
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“I am sick and tired of seeing people who look like you and I [black] come in my courtroom, and I have to sentence them to prison,” Colvin later said. “And then you hear them fussing on TV about African Americans being in the prison system. Well, guess what, if you don’t do what it takes to there, you won’t be a part of it. You already know the game. If you know they [the police] come into your community more than they do in other communities, then guess what, you’ve got a heads up. So that means you’ve got to do what’s right, right?” |
Disclaimer: The New York Post is kind of borderline tabloid, frequently employs hyperbole and sensationalism, and is owned by News Corp, so take this with a grain of salt:
NYU students who back Trump afraid to show their faces By Melkorka Licea April 2, 2016 | 11:44pm NYU’s pro-Trump students fear for their safety — and grades. They may be flooding caucus rooms across the country, but Donald Trump supporters at NYU keep their heads down, mouths shut and their correspondence secret. Lying in class about their political beliefs and keeping online conversations strictly private are typical precautions taken by The Donald’s badly outnumbered followers on campus. “Supporters generally try to keep it hidden from the rest of the student body,” said junior Dylan Perera, 22. “They’re afraid of losing friends, being ridiculed in class, getting worse grades and are even afraid of being assaulted and physically hurt.” The computer-science major from LA said he was verbally accosted by a student who had asked about his affiliation. “She freaked out and started yelling and screaming in my face, calling me a racist and a fascist. It was impossible to even have a conversation,” he said. Another student was so concerned about being outed as a Trump supporter that he reserved a private room on campus — for “security reasons” — to speak to a Post reporter. He recalled being ostracized by his “radical social-justice warrior” roommates. “Their hatred towards me started escalating after we had a few political discussions,” he said. As Trump spoke during a televised GOP debate he was watching, his roommates drowned out the candidate by playing an anti-Trump video on their computer at maximum volume. “Either you’re on their side or you’re a racist f–k, in their eyes,” the student said. “I’ve learned just to bottle up [my response]” to such antagonizing. The anonymous, 21-year-old Princeton, NJ, native said he was unmasked as a Trump supporter by a professor Friday, even after he had specifically asked in an e-mail that the teacher not bring up his political views. “He was explaining what platitudes are to the class, and he brought up Trump as an example. How him saying, ‘I’m great,’ is a platitude,” he recalled. “It got a big laugh from the class and then he looked right at me and said, ‘Sorry, I had to get one in.’” The singled-out student said he was “ freaking out and trying to play it cool and then said something like, ‘What are you looking at me for?’” He said he fears being “shunned or attacked,” calling both “equally degrading.” Disaffected Trumpers on the famously liberal 57,000-student campus have begun to gather in undetectable ways, through Facebook and in one-on-one meet-ups. “It’s really decentralized” because “most people are too afraid to start an official group,” explained Perera of the “word-of-mouth network.” He estimates there are about 30 unofficial “members” of the Trump underground. Another junior, who also spoke on the condition of anonymity, said she typically steers clear of public debates that will reveal her pro-Trump beliefs. “It can get hostile,” she said, recalling recent political spats between students on Facebook. “They’ll usually throw around words like ‘racist’ or ‘bigot’ about Trump and then call the students trying to defend him ‘delusional.’” She recently was emboldened enough to “like” a student’s post that bravely defended the GOP front-runner in a Facebook thread. Yet many are still firmly in the campaign closet. “I’ve been too smart to paint a target on my head and take that kind of heat,” said one anonymous student. “It’s just not worth it.” NYU students who back Trump afraid to show their faces | New York Post |
However, here's basically the same story reported by The Gothamist, which is definately not a bastion of pro-conservatism.
NYU Students Supporting Trump Are Afraid To Come Out Of The Drumpf Closet BY BEN YAKAS IN NEWS ON APR 3, 2016 11:40 AM With anti-Trump rallies happening practically every week this spring, it might seem like New Yorkers have finally found something they can agree upon (besides the fact that NYC sucks and no one else should try to live here). However, it seems Donald Trump has a group of NYU student supporters who have hesitantly begun to vocalize their love for the least credible presidential candidate in modern history. Shockingly, it seems that the overwhelmingly-liberal NYU might not be the most pleasant place for Trump fans: "Supporters generally try to keep it hidden from the rest of the student body," junior Dylan Perera told the Post today. "They’re afraid of losing friends, being ridiculed in class, getting worse grades and are even afraid of being assaulted and physically hurt." Perera, who was the only Trump supporter willing to let the Post publish his name, said he has been hounded by fellow students for his views: "[One woman] freaked out and started yelling and screaming in my face, calling me a racist and a fascist. It was impossible to even have a conversation," he said, which is basically the inverse of how many Trump supporters have embraced malignant stubbornness in the face of overwhelming evidence of Trump's unique stupidity. Perera estimates there may be as many as 30 Trump supporters at the school, but there is no official group or meet-ups: "It’s really decentralized," he told the Post, because "most people are too afraid to start an official group." One anonymous student told them he was ostracized by his "radical social-justice warrior" roommates ("Their hatred towards me started escalating after we had a few political discussions"); another said his professor made a Trump joke at his expense. "There are definitely a decent number of Trump supporters at NYU that are hiding in the closet," freshman Daniel Hyun, who wears his "Make America Great Again" hat around campus, told NYU News. "When I tell people I’m a Trump supporter, they just laugh it off. They don’t like to believe that there are non-white Trump supporters. But once you wear the hat, you accept the fact that people aren’t going to like you, but it feels pretty weird to hide my political beliefs in a place that is so diverse." "Like me, most of [the other Trump supporters on campus] don’t even support absolutely everything Trump says, like building a wall and deporting all 11 million illegal immigrants," he added, leaving one to wonder what exactly he agrees with Trump about. Is it his views on abortion, which have changed five times over the last week? Is it his foreign policy views, which our current president called stunningly ignorant? "I know what the spirit of the campus is so I keep quiet about my views just because it makes the day go easier," junior Jillian Spataro, who is planning to vote for Trump, told NYU News. "I do hear the side comments and see the Facebook pages. As a registered Republican, it’s just easier for me to turn a blind eye instead of getting involved." Last year, NYU alum Megan Powers took a job out of school to become a Trump campaign coordinator, and brought NYU Local on a tour of Trump's campaign offices in NYC. "Everyone has fans and everyone has people who aren’t fans," she said at the time. "I’ve had a lot of my friends want to talk to me about it because they think it’s so interesting. They ask me kind of the same things you’re asking me: what’s it like and do you actually like him, do you actually think he’s good? And I think Mr. Trump is fantastic." http://gothamist.com/2016/04/03/nyu_...rump_are_a.php |
And on Washington Square News, which is the student-run newspaper of NYU, and is most definitely of a liberal bias in most affairs. I especially like the quote at the end, which I've highlighted for emphasis.
The Quiet Life of NYU’s Trump Supporters Taylor Nicole Rogers, Staff Writer March 28, 2016 Despite its hallmark diversity, NYU is predominantly liberal on the political spectrum. This leaves one group uncharacteristically quiet in the political conversation on campus: supporters of Donald Trump. However, this does not mean Trump supporters do not exist on campus. According to Tandon junior Jillian Spataro, who plans to vote for Donald Trump, the negative attitude toward Trump makes them reluctant to speak their minds. “I know what the spirit of the campus is so I keep quiet about my views just because it makes the day go easier,” Spataro said. “I do hear the side comments and see the Facebook pages. As a registered Republican, it’s just easier for me to turn a blind eye instead of getting involved.” Stern freshman Daniel Hyun recounted receiving looks from NYU students and staff alike while wearing his “Make America Great Again” hat. “When I tell people I’m a Trump supporter, they just laugh it off,” Hyun said. “They don’t like to believe that there are non-white Trump supporters. But once you wear the hat, you accept the fact that people aren’t going to like you, but it feels pretty weird to hide my political beliefs in a place that is so diverse.“ Tandon junior Dylan Perera said that in the few times he has divulged his political standpoint, NYU students have not reacted well. “People usually react very negatively, sometimes even violently,” Perera said. “One time someone started screaming in my face. I forgot exactly how it came out, but I ended up saying that I do support Trump, and then everything went south right away.” Although Hyun knows several other Trump supporters on campus, he suspects that incidents like these contribute to their lack of organization. “There are definitely a decent number of Trump supporters at NYU that are hiding in the closet,” Hyun said. “Like me, most of them don’t even support absolutely everything Trump says, like building a wall and deporting all 11 million illegal immigrants.” The students who support Trump felt that it was hypocritical for the student body to be so hostile toward Trump supporters. “This campus can be inclusive, but only to a point,” Spataro said. “Just like the world in general, they claim they’re inclusive, but up to a point.” “A lot of students preach tolerance and open-mindedness,” Perera said. “But when someone comes that goes against their viewpoint, they automatically disregard all of that open-mindedness and tolerance. I think it hurts the dialogue. I always try to understand every side. You can’t demonize the people that hold a viewpoint; you have to try to understand them and where they are coming from. That’s when you can have a constructive dialogue.” WSN : The Quiet Life of NYU?s Trump Supporters |
One of many articles on the topic, but if you are active duty Army, or an Army veteran, you understand why this is just sad to say the least.
Army Privates In Basic Training Now Receiving ?Participation? Patches | American Military News |
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